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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 06.04.22 04:57. Заголовок: Plants (plus fungi, algae etc.) of various regions


I have some different descriptions, this time they are about plants. Also, do you think that could be possible for an antilopine-like descendant of the goat or of the sheep to live in the Andean plateau?

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As the Author stated, plants should be in a separate topic - Biolog, the moderator

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.06.22 01:09. Заголовок: I was thinking if th..


I was thinking if the soybean and wheat could have descendants in the Neocene. They are cultivated in South America and perhaps some wild descendants could exist in the savannas.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.06.22 10:54. Заголовок: JOrnitho Wheat does..


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Wheat does have a descendant - the hamster's wheat in the chapter 87 "Adopted in Eden" (only Russian so far, sorry). But it is in Asia, though.
As for the soybean, it seems to have no descendants.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.06.22 15:34. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: But i..


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But it is in Asia, though.


Then maybe it could have a relative living in South America that evolved form the wheat that were cultivated here.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.06.22 16:52. Заголовок: JOrnitho Yes, quite..


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Yes, quite possible.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 04.07.22 05:17. Заголовок: I was thinking about..


I was thinking about some plants for Easter Island and I think that most of the species here would be introduced or were transported from South America. I thought about a species of giant banana tree.
Do you have more ideas for plants in the island?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 04.07.22 11:25. Заголовок: JOrnitho giant bana..


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giant banana


Good one!

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Do you have more ideas for plants in the island?


I have little knowledge about indigenous flora of Easter Island, but a descendant of pineapple would be great, if pineapple is introduced there by humans.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 04.07.22 12:57. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: if pi..


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if pineapple is introduced there by humans.


Yes, there is farms that produce pineapple in the island. Other introduced plants are the sweet potato, yam, paper mulberry and sugar cane. The surroundings of the lakes of the island are covered in totora reed.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 04.07.22 16:08. Заголовок: JOrnitho Yes, there ..


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Yes, there is farms that produce pineapple in the island.


So we can make a descendant there!

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Other introduced plants are the sweet potato, yam, paper mulberry and sugar cane. The surroundings of the lakes of the island are covered in totora reed.


So, descendants of sweet potato and yam are quite plausible.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 05.07.22 07:16. Заголовок: I was thinking that ..


I was thinking that since these plants are in an island, they could be different than their ancestors. The benana tree would be high like a palm tree, but with smaller fruits, while the pineapple could produce two or three fruits.
Any ideas for the descendants of the sweet potato and yam?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 05.07.22 09:05. Заголовок: JOrnitho The benana..


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The benana tree would be high like a palm tree, but with smaller fruits


Sounds quite interesting! Although banana is not a tree, it is a herbacious plant, and it lacks a trunk at all (even no stem above the ground).

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the pineapple could produce two or three fruits


But pineapple has a multiple fruit, made up of many individual fruits.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 05.07.22 15:20. Заголовок: This only show how I..


This only show how I'm terrible in botanic hahahaha. It wasn’t my favorite subject in college, where I stayed only with what the professors taught. I greatly prefer zoology of vertebrates.
My idea about the banana was that it would be similar to the Musa ingens from Indonesia. It have the longest petioles of any tree, with 15 meters. In Neocene Easter Island, this giant herbaceous plant would be part an important part of the forests.
Regarding the pineaple, maybe it could develop two structures wit multiple fruits on it, with each fruit being more protuding and colorful when ripe.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 05.07.22 19:06. Заголовок: JOrnitho giant herb..


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giant herbaceous plant would be part an important part of the forests


And now you are good enough in botany! Great idea this is!

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Regarding the pineaple, maybe it could develop two structures wit multiple fruits on it, with each fruit being more protuding and colorful when ripe.


My mind was crossed with an idea of a large (about 5 m tall) pineapple bush with numerous, but small fruit, maybe also simplified in structure.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 05.07.22 20:47. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: My mi..


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My mind was crossed with an idea of a large (about 5 m tall) pineapple bush with numerous, but small fruit, maybe also simplified in structure


I like that idea! Maybe the flowers are disperse in the bush and, rather than fusing in one single structure, becme each one a small fruit. I wonder which type of polinization this species could have.
Another idea that I had for the island is the presence of descendants of the cocconut tree. These palms would also have developed smaller fruits.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 06.07.22 11:35. Заголовок: JOrnitho Well, the ..


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Well, the pineapple blossom and fruit are too far specialized to become absolutely simple. They would rather remain complex, as they are now. Pollination by insects, surely.

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descendants of the cocconut tree


Descendants of coconut palm are already present in neocene. But there can be more in other regions, as the coconut palm is widespread.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 06.07.22 14:31. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: the p..


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the pineapple blossom and fruit are too far specialized to become absolutely simple. They would rather remain complex, as they are now.


I see, but could they still have a reduced size and more than one structure in the bush? The small size could allow the pineapple to develop four structures with multiple fruits in its middle.

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Descendants of coconut palm are already present in neocene. But there can be more in other regions, as the coconut palm is widespread.


The isolation in Easter Island could allow them to become different from their relatives in other areas.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 06.07.22 16:45. Заголовок: JOrnitho more than ..


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more than one structure



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four structures with multiple fruits in its middle


I do not quite understand. What do you mean by "structures"? Four fruit on one stalk? It's OK, but why four? Pineapple fruit are berries that merge into a large multiple fruit.

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The isolation in Easter Island could allow them to become different from their relatives in other areas.


Yes, sure. The already existing coconut descendants I mentioned are on Hawaii, described in chapter 46 "The Green Pearl of the Pacific" (only Russian so far, sorry).

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 06.07.22 18:52. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: I do ..


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I do not quite understand. What do you mean by "structures"? Four fruit on one stalk? It's OK, but why four? Pineapple fruit are berries that merge into a large multiple fruit.


I wasn’t sure to how to explain it. I mean that this descendant of the pineapple could develop more stalks where the multiple fruits would appear after the merging of the berries. Or instead the plant could develop a branched central stalk where the flowers would appear and eventually merge in the multiple fruit. They could be small like that of the Ananas comosus var. microstachys.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 07.07.22 11:41. Заголовок: JOrnitho Ah, now I s..


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Ah, now I see, thanks! Sure, having multiple stalks or a o single branched stalk is OK! The second idea looks more interesting.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 07.07.22 15:34. Заголовок: Then, we have these ..


Then, we have these plants in Easter Island:
Rapa Nui coconut
Giant banana
Rapa Nui pineapple
Yam (native name uhi)
Sweet Potato (native name kumara)
Totora reed (native name nga'atu)
They will need some better names. Do you have suggestions?
Also, I was reading that the island have Melia trees and guavas. They could also have descendants.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 07.07.22 20:05. Заголовок: JOrnitho Great list..


JOrnitho
Great list, enough for a separate flora chapter!
Um, I'm not so good in South American languages to propose names...

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