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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 25.03.22 17:24. Заголовок: Galliformes and other animals for South America (продолжение)


Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 01.07.23 07:54. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Do ..


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Do you think that the Alouatta could survive?


I don't know, Alouatta guariba that live in Atlantic forest is vulnerable, Alouatta caraya that is live closely is near threatened. May be the last one has chance to survive only in eucalyptus forest.

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Or we should have it being descendant of a capuchin monkey?


Sapajus nigritus that live in Atlantic forest also near threatened.

So better let it be Alouatta caraya.

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The chapter needs a terrestrial predator. We could fill one of these three with a large one.


May be it will be giant mongoose that could climb on the trees?

And also we need big bird predator. Who it will be?

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May be it will be giant mongoose that could climb on the trees?


Interesting. It could be capable of hunting monkeys in the tree canopy.

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And also we need big bird predator. Who it will be?


It could be the descendant of some species of falcon.

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It could be the descendant of some species of falcon.


It can be Falco peregrinus but very big even may be like Hieraaetus moorei or a bit smaller.

or it can be other bird predator Elanus leucurus (it's hunting on opossums) we can make him like Hieraaetus moorei.

Also we can have nocturnal bird predator Falco rufigularis.

Or it can be collective big hunters Parabuteo unicinctus. But it will be more cool to make them hunting with flocks on Akutituicha herds.
Or we can describe him for some other chapter hunting with flocks on deermaras.

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or it can be other bird predator Elanus leucurus (it's hunting on opossums) we can make him like Hieraaetus moorei.


I think that Elanus leucurus could be a better ancestor.

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Also we can have nocturnal bird predator Falco rufigularis.


A owl would be better to hunt in the night. Strigiformes are still around and can fill the niche of large nocturnal predators.

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Or it can be collective big hunters Parabuteo unicinctus. But it will be more cool to make them hunting with flocks on Akutituicha herds.
Or we can describe him for some other chapter hunting with flocks on deermaras.


It would be better in another chapter.

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I think that Elanus leucurus could be a better ancestor.



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A owl would be better to hunt in the night. Strigiformes are still around and can fill the niche of large nocturnal predators.


We can take Bubo virginianus subsp. nacurutu and make him very big for the description of the night time in eucalyptus forest.

And this will be the last species of the chapter. We can't add anyone else in the bestiary.

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It would be better in another chapter.


In which one better? I think it is a good idea & it is important not to forget it!!!

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We can take Bubo virginianus subsp. nacurutu and make him very big for the description of the night time in eucalyptus forest.

And this will be the last species of the chapter. We can't add anyone else in the bestiary.


I agree. This species could have the size of an eagle owl and even hunt other owls.

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In which one better? I think it is a good idea & it is important not to forget it!!!


I think that it should be in a chapter about an island. The deermaras moved from island to island in the Caribbean region, perhaps we could describe an island were mammals are tiny and the largest predators are these cooperative birds of prey. Guadalupe, Martinica and Barbados are possible places.

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I agree. This species could have the size of an eagle owl and even hunt other owls.


Ok! I also agree.

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I think that it should be in a chapter about an island. The deermaras moved from island to island in the Caribbean region, perhaps we could describe an island were mammals are tiny and the largest predators are these cooperative birds of prey. Guadalupe, Martinica and Barbados are possible places.


No, I mean a real big deermaras from the mainland and very big collective hunting predator birds making flocks of 4-6 birds. May be somewhere in pampas.

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No, I mean a real big deermaras from the mainland and very big collective hunting predator birds making flocks of 4-6 birds. May be somewhere in pampas.



I'm not sure if it would be possible, the continent is already very crowded with predators. What could happen is that these birds would very occasionally cooperate to hunt such prey, but normally they would only hunt medium sized ones in small group.
Also, what do you think of my idea of one of the island of the Carib having small versions of the continental animals that got here by island jumping and the largest predator is a giant stork descending of Mycteria americana? It could be the Neocene version of Hateg island.

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I'm not sure if it would be possible, the continent is already very crowded with predators. What could happen is that these birds would very occasionally cooperate to hunt such prey, but normally they would only hunt medium sized ones in small group.


I will think about it!

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Also, what do you think of my idea of one of the island of the Carib having small versions of the continental animals that got here by island jumping and the largest predator is a giant stork descending of Mycteria americana? It could be the Neocene version of Hateg island.


This is good idea, I I have long wanted to write about the forest of tree ferns in Martinique.

I think if we will write about Martinique we will need this website https://en.martinique-tour.com/discover/fauna-and-flora/

It will be interesting to combinate endemics of island and small versions of the continental animals.

First of all I want to be in this chapter a Pepsis grossa & Caribena versicolor

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So let's make a bestiary

MARTINIQUE ISLAND
1. Mycteria americana
2. Island deermara
3. Pepsis grossa
4. Caribena versicolor ( we need little bird for him to hunt)
5. Tree fern - Cyathea arborea


Other species you suggest!

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Other species you suggest!


We could have a turtle descending of Chelonoidis carbonaria, an insectivorous descendant of the mongoose and a marsupial taking the role of monkeys.

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We could have a turtle descending of Chelonoidis carbonaria, an insectivorous descendant of the mongoose and a marsupial taking the role of monkeys.



I agree!

And what little bird we will take for the hunting of Caribena versicolor.

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And what little bird we will take for the hunting of Caribena versicolor.



Descendants of the introduced Ploceus cucullatus and Euplectes franciscanus. The spiders could invade their nests.

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Descendants of the introduced Ploceus cucullatus and Euplectes franciscanus. The spiders could invade their nests.


Very beautiful birds, I agree!

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I made the description of the sloth opossum. If you know a better specific name for them, I'll change.

Timbú-preguiça-do-sul, or Southern sloth opossum (Timbu tardus)
Order: Didelphimorphia
Family: Parafolivoridae (Sloth-like opossums)
Habitat: Southern and Southeastern South America, tropical moist lowland Atlantic forests, including eucalyptus and acacia woods.
The transition between the Holocene and the Neocene caused the extinction of several species. Among them were the tree sloths (Bradypodidae and Choloepodidae), thus bringing an end to the suborder Folivora. With their niche vacant, new species evolved to fill it. The widespread bare-tailed woolly opossum (Caluromys philander) was one of them. This species gave rise to an entire new family, the Parafolivorideae. This clade is formed by marsupials specialized to feed solely on leaves and plant material. The timbú-preguiça-do-sul is one of these animals, a marsupial that inhabits the Southern and Southeastern South America, tropical moist lowland Atlantic forests, including eucalyptus and acacia woods. Its name is formed by words from Brazilian Portuguese that translated to English means Southern sloth opossum (timbú is a regional name for opossum).
All members of the family Parafolivoridae have very reduced canines and the molars are modified in a lophodont-like shape, helping them crush leaves. The timbú-preguiça-do-sul grows to a length of about 75 to 90 cm with males being considerably larger than females. Their weight ranges from 8 to 15 Kg. Their body shape is similar to that of a tree-kangaroo, but the timbú’s arms are longer and end in hands with long dark claws. These hands are used to grasp branches to have access to leaves. The feet are relatively large, with smaller claws than those of the hands. They also have prehensile tails, with the tip being naked. The ears are rounded and the eyes are large and black. The head is small, with a flat muzzle. Its coloring is dark chocolate brown in the dorsal areas while the underparts are paler.
Timbús are folivores, and feed exclusively on tree leaves. Overall their diet is broad but they do prefer younger leaves and some plants are consumed more than others. Such diets have low energy, making these animals have a slow metabolism. Due to that, they limit their energy use and sleep or rest 20 hours a day. They are predominantly active at night and spend most of their waking hours feeding. They typically eat and sleep in the same tree, possibly for as long as a day. On very hot days, a timbú may climb down to the coolest part of the tree which is cooler than the surrounding air.
This species is solitary, spending its entire life alone in the canopy of the trees. The timbús rarely come down to the ground, only doing that to change trees. In the ground, these animals are slow and vulnerable to predators. The best chance that they have to protect themselves is to stand upright and try to slap their predators with their long claws.
Timbús are seasonal breeders, and births take place from the middle of spring through the summer to early autumn. During this period males will be more active, constantly seeking fertile females. Intraspecific conflicts between males become common during reproduction, with them fighting in the trees by using their claws. These fights allow the female to assess which is dominant.
The timbú's gestation period lasts 33–35 days, and a female gives birth to a single cub . As with all marsupials, the young are born while at the embryonic stage. However, they have relatively well-developed lips, forelimbs, and shoulders, as well as functioning respiratory, digestive, and urinary systems. The cub crawls into its mother's pouch to continue the rest of its development.
The cub attaches itself to one of them and suckles for the rest of its pouch life.  At seven weeks of age, the young's head grows longer and becomes proportionally large, pigmentation begins to develop, and its sex can be determined. At 13 weeks, the cub weighs around 50 g and its head has doubled in size. The eyes begin to open and fine fur grows on the forehead, nape, shoulders, and arms. At 26 weeks, the fully furred animal resembles an adult and begins to poke its head out of the pouch.
The young fully emerges from the pouch for the first time at six or seven months of age. It explores its new surroundings cautiously, clinging to its mother for support. By nine months, it weighs over 1 kg and develops its adult fur color. Having permanently left the pouch, it rides on its mother's back for transportation, learning to climb by grasping branches. Gradually, it spends more time away from its mother, who becomes pregnant again after 12 months. Her bond with her previous offspring is permanently severed and she no longer allows it to suckle, but it will continue to live near her for the next 6–12 months. Sexual maturity is reached with three years by the females and four years by the males. They have a lifespan of 13 to 15 years.
A closely related species is the timbú-preguiça-do-norte (Timbu folivorus), an inhabitant of the tropical lowland Atlantic forest of Northeastern South America. Their name means Northern sloth opossum in portuguese. Their size and weight is similar to that of their Southern relatives, with the exception being the reddish-brown dorsal fur with dark brown areas in the head and base of the tail. The underparts are light gray.

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Cool description!

Sloth will be Unau in Oyampi language (one of the Tupi-Guarani dialect)
Opossum will be gã'bá in Tupi language
So may be unau-gaba?

Southern unau-gaba & Northern unau-gaba.

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Southern unau-gaba & Northern unau-gaba.


I think that I'll maintain the name in portuguese, since it's easier to be translated.
Do you have a sugestion for the scientific name?

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Interesting animal!

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Good opossum! I add it to lists.

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Do you have a sugestion for the scientific name?


I'm not good in Latin(((

JOrnitho, I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks. I won’t have a laptop and I don’t know if there will be a normal Internet on the phone. Maybe you can take on the development the bestiary and the plan of the chapter about microwolves for this time. I think, for you, as a specialist in rodents, it will be especially interesting, and when I return, I will try to complete the descriptions of Maba, Ocumo, Knight-beetle and Water lily. And we will work on the chapters about Catatumbo & Maracaibo.

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