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Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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Interesting ideas! Maybe some of them would evolve into giant forms!

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 14.04.24 20:45. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Any..


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Any specialist in fishes that could help me organize these ideas?


Maybe, I'm not so good specialist, but I'm skeptical about Arapaima. It is too slowly-growing fish to establish a viable population as an invasive species.
Pangasianodon hypophtalmus - it may produce any large pelagic predatory species. In its natural habitat it may become extinct sooner or later - its status is "endangered".
Here it is a link about aquaculture of this one:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256544627_Striped_Catfish_Pangasianodon_hypophthalmus_Sauvage_1878_Aquaculture_in_Bangladesh_An_Overview
Tilapia? Hmmm, in South America, there are numerous Cichlasoma (sensu lato) and Geophagus (sensu lato) species, that are close to Tilapia in their characteristics. So, the possible success of Tilapia seems to be not so great there. Cichlasoma tetracanthum is known to be able to migrate to salt water, so it is predictable to meet its descendants in water bodies of Central America.
Some species of these cichlids are added to "Bestiary" a long time ago: https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enfish.htm#cryptocichla_planicephala_en
Oops, that's all. So, you're free to describe some other cichlid fishes. For islands of Caribbean region, the basis of ichthyofauna is thought to be composed of cichlid and live-bearer fishes with the addition of some fishes migrating from sea water (ariid catfishes, for example).

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 15.04.24 10:24. Заголовок: JOrnitho Arapaima s..


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Arapaima sp: honestly, I don't think this fish would surviv, because:
1) It's huge and slow-reproducing, so it wouldn't be good at surviving serions climatic changes.
2) It's niche is already occupied by large characiniforms.
Pangasianodon hypophtalmus:I think it can survive, although it's pretty large, beacuce it's omnivore generalist. I don't think it would give large radiation becuse Brasil's rivers already have diverse amount of catfishes, but it's descendants can keep their niche.
Tilapia: same as siamese shark catfish. It,s quite adaptive fish that has naturalised in many habitats around the world, but cichlid's niches is already occupied by Geophagus and relatives, so it wouldn't irradiate.
Sea cichlids can emerge in Neocene - as I remember, some cichlasomas are already euryhaline, but they live in Mexico, not in Brazil. So, you need to insert it into ecosystem driven by livebearer fishes somehow.

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I'm skeptical about Arapaima. It is too slowly-growing fish to establish a viable population as an invasive species.



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Arapaima sp: honestly, I don't think this fish would surviv, because:
1) It's huge and slow-reproducing, so it wouldn't be good at surviving serions climatic changes.
2) It's niche is already occupied by large characiniforms.



I see. They are still a matter of concern in some Brazilian rivers, especially the São Francisco, because their presence extirpate local species.

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Pangasianodon hypophtalmus - it may produce any large pelagic predatory species. In its natural habitat it may become extinct sooner or later - its status is "endangered".



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Pangasianodon hypophtalmus:I think it can survive, although it's pretty large, beacuce it's omnivore generalist. I don't think it would give large radiation becuse Brasil's rivers already have diverse amount of catfishes, but it's descendants can keep their niche.



I believe that it would be endemic to the rivers of Northeastern Brazil, the ones crossing the Caatinga biome. Most of the large catfishes living in that region were extirpated and rivers lost several natural species.

I'm searching more invasive species and I found out that the Betta sp. is also present in some areas. Would it be able to survive in marshlands?

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Another invasive species that maybe could survive is the Peacock bass. It had been introduced in South, Southeastern and Northeastern Brazil. Rivers in these areas are mostly depleted of original fishes.
Do you think that their survival is plausible?

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How ecologically flexible is it?

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the Peacock bass


A species of Cichla genus? I think, large fish species have lesser chances of survival compared to medium-sized related species. I'd prefer to wait for the success of any medium-sized Cichlasoma or Acara. It is rather easy for them to grow to 1 meter length.

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I'd prefer to wait for the success of any medium-sized Cichlasoma or Acara. It is rather easy for them to grow to 1 meter length


Then I think that the pearl cichlid (Geophagus brasiliensis) could be the ancestor of most cichlids living in Southeastern South America. It’s common and small, besides being able to live in brackish lagoons. Maybe it could suit as the ancestor of my idea for the Tilapia in the sea. It was introduced in Australia, the Philippines, and Taiwan, was a descendant of it already described for these areas?

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I believe that it would be endemic to the rivers of Northeastern Brazil, the ones crossing the Caatinga biome. Most of the large catfishes living in that region were extirpated and rivers lost several natural species.


As I found, wild pangasiodon hypophtalmus was found near Columbian border, not in caatinga region.

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Geophagus brasiliensis


Honestly, I don't think that it would become ancestor of the most cichlid species as there are many other cichlids there. However, I think it definitly would leave descendants, including euryhaline of even marine ones. But what lifestyle have you suggested for them? I think it would live in estuaries, and have a listyle that is typical for cichlids. Maybe we can do someshyng interesting with reproduction?

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was a descendant of it already described for these areas?


No, they weren't. So, you can do this!

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Honestly, I don't think that it would become ancestor of the most cichlid species as there are many other cichlids there. However, I think it definitly would leave descendants, including euryhaline of even marine ones. But what lifestyle have you suggested for them? I think it would live in estuaries, and have a listyle that is typical for cichlids. Maybe we can do someshyng interesting with reproduction?



Yes, I was thinking that they could have some species living in estuaries. Another idea was for some inhabiting costal lagoons. After the end of the last galciation, several costal lagoons were formed in the restingas of the Brazilian coast, some being isolated between each other. I believe that new lagoons could appear during the Neocene. I thought that these cichlids could especialize in these areas to some degree, perhaps similar to the cichlids of the African lakes, but in a small scale. What are your ideas about their reproduction?

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