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Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 14.04.24 18:37. Заголовок: Interesting ideas! M..


Interesting ideas! Maybe some of them would evolve into giant forms!

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Any specialist in fishes that could help me organize these ideas?


Maybe, I'm not so good specialist, but I'm skeptical about Arapaima. It is too slowly-growing fish to establish a viable population as an invasive species.
Pangasianodon hypophtalmus - it may produce any large pelagic predatory species. In its natural habitat it may become extinct sooner or later - its status is "endangered".
Here it is a link about aquaculture of this one:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256544627_Striped_Catfish_Pangasianodon_hypophthalmus_Sauvage_1878_Aquaculture_in_Bangladesh_An_Overview
Tilapia? Hmmm, in South America, there are numerous Cichlasoma (sensu lato) and Geophagus (sensu lato) species, that are close to Tilapia in their characteristics. So, the possible success of Tilapia seems to be not so great there. Cichlasoma tetracanthum is known to be able to migrate to salt water, so it is predictable to meet its descendants in water bodies of Central America.
Some species of these cichlids are added to "Bestiary" a long time ago: https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enfish.htm#cryptocichla_planicephala_en
Oops, that's all. So, you're free to describe some other cichlid fishes. For islands of Caribbean region, the basis of ichthyofauna is thought to be composed of cichlid and live-bearer fishes with the addition of some fishes migrating from sea water (ariid catfishes, for example).

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 15.04.24 10:24. Заголовок: JOrnitho Arapaima s..


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Arapaima sp: honestly, I don't think this fish would surviv, because:
1) It's huge and slow-reproducing, so it wouldn't be good at surviving serions climatic changes.
2) It's niche is already occupied by large characiniforms.
Pangasianodon hypophtalmus:I think it can survive, although it's pretty large, beacuce it's omnivore generalist. I don't think it would give large radiation becuse Brasil's rivers already have diverse amount of catfishes, but it's descendants can keep their niche.
Tilapia: same as siamese shark catfish. It,s quite adaptive fish that has naturalised in many habitats around the world, but cichlid's niches is already occupied by Geophagus and relatives, so it wouldn't irradiate.
Sea cichlids can emerge in Neocene - as I remember, some cichlasomas are already euryhaline, but they live in Mexico, not in Brazil. So, you need to insert it into ecosystem driven by livebearer fishes somehow.

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I'm skeptical about Arapaima. It is too slowly-growing fish to establish a viable population as an invasive species.



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Arapaima sp: honestly, I don't think this fish would surviv, because:
1) It's huge and slow-reproducing, so it wouldn't be good at surviving serions climatic changes.
2) It's niche is already occupied by large characiniforms.



I see. They are still a matter of concern in some Brazilian rivers, especially the São Francisco, because their presence extirpate local species.

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Pangasianodon hypophtalmus - it may produce any large pelagic predatory species. In its natural habitat it may become extinct sooner or later - its status is "endangered".



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Pangasianodon hypophtalmus:I think it can survive, although it's pretty large, beacuce it's omnivore generalist. I don't think it would give large radiation becuse Brasil's rivers already have diverse amount of catfishes, but it's descendants can keep their niche.



I believe that it would be endemic to the rivers of Northeastern Brazil, the ones crossing the Caatinga biome. Most of the large catfishes living in that region were extirpated and rivers lost several natural species.

I'm searching more invasive species and I found out that the Betta sp. is also present in some areas. Would it be able to survive in marshlands?

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Another invasive species that maybe could survive is the Peacock bass. It had been introduced in South, Southeastern and Northeastern Brazil. Rivers in these areas are mostly depleted of original fishes.
Do you think that their survival is plausible?

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How ecologically flexible is it?

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the Peacock bass


A species of Cichla genus? I think, large fish species have lesser chances of survival compared to medium-sized related species. I'd prefer to wait for the success of any medium-sized Cichlasoma or Acara. It is rather easy for them to grow to 1 meter length.

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I'd prefer to wait for the success of any medium-sized Cichlasoma or Acara. It is rather easy for them to grow to 1 meter length


Then I think that the pearl cichlid (Geophagus brasiliensis) could be the ancestor of most cichlids living in Southeastern South America. It’s common and small, besides being able to live in brackish lagoons. Maybe it could suit as the ancestor of my idea for the Tilapia in the sea. It was introduced in Australia, the Philippines, and Taiwan, was a descendant of it already described for these areas?

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I believe that it would be endemic to the rivers of Northeastern Brazil, the ones crossing the Caatinga biome. Most of the large catfishes living in that region were extirpated and rivers lost several natural species.


As I found, wild pangasiodon hypophtalmus was found near Columbian border, not in caatinga region.

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Geophagus brasiliensis


Honestly, I don't think that it would become ancestor of the most cichlid species as there are many other cichlids there. However, I think it definitly would leave descendants, including euryhaline of even marine ones. But what lifestyle have you suggested for them? I think it would live in estuaries, and have a listyle that is typical for cichlids. Maybe we can do someshyng interesting with reproduction?

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was a descendant of it already described for these areas?


No, they weren't. So, you can do this!

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Honestly, I don't think that it would become ancestor of the most cichlid species as there are many other cichlids there. However, I think it definitly would leave descendants, including euryhaline of even marine ones. But what lifestyle have you suggested for them? I think it would live in estuaries, and have a listyle that is typical for cichlids. Maybe we can do someshyng interesting with reproduction?



Yes, I was thinking that they could have some species living in estuaries. Another idea was for some inhabiting costal lagoons. After the end of the last galciation, several costal lagoons were formed in the restingas of the Brazilian coast, some being isolated between each other. I believe that new lagoons could appear during the Neocene. I thought that these cichlids could especialize in these areas to some degree, perhaps similar to the cichlids of the African lakes, but in a small scale. What are your ideas about their reproduction?

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I had been writing the description of the cichlids that I mentioned, but I have yet to decide their habitats. I thought that they could live in the costal lagoons of the restingas of South America, but I think that new lagoons could appear in the Neocene.
Can I create new lagoons and write about new restingas for the Neocene based in the studies about their formation in the Holocene? They would be habitats for new species.

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Welcome again!

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Can I create new lagoons and write about new restingas for the Neocene based in the studies about their formation in the Holocene? They would be habitats for new species.


An interesting idea! Can't wait for details!

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Below is what I did for the restingas so far. The next is to write about flora and fauna.

The Atlantic Coast restingas is an ecoregion of the tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests biome, and the South American Atlantic Forest biome. During the late Neocene, this ecoregion suffered greatly with human interference, especially for being mostly located in the heavily populated areas of Brazilian coast. The disappearance of humans gave the restingas a respite from anthropogenic interference, but the climatic and tectonic changes had affected this ecoregion.
The global warming caused by human actions resulted in the retraction of this habitat due to sea level rising and flooding of coastal plains. The Ice Age in the boundary of the Holocene with Neocene resulted in the lowering of the sea, leaving the coastal plains once again exposed. With time, new restingas appeared in these areas.
In the Neocene, the neo-restinga ecoregion expands across the Atlantic coastal areas that once were South, Southeastern and Northeastern Brazil. These habitats are characterized by different types of vegetation. They are:
-Open herbaceous
-Herbaceous marsh
-Herbaceous sandy ridge
-Non-floodable closed shrubland
-Non-floodable open shrubland
-Floodable closed shrubland
-Floodable open shrubland
-Non-floodable forest
-Mangrove
These vegetation types were present in the Holocene restingas, but now they are composed by completely new species. Such examples are the large well-bromeliad, species of this plant can reach 150 cm of radius and are endemic to open herbaceous areas of the restingas. The water accumulated in these plants works as a microhabitat for small frogs and insects.
Great sand dunes are also predominant in some points of this ecoregion, sometimes surrounding coastal lagoons.
In the Neocene, many of the original lagoons had disappeared due to natural events. However, these same events resulted in the appearance of new water bodies. Among the largest we have: Niterói Lagoon, Amparo Lagoon, Itaipuaçu lagoon and Nazaré Lagoon. One of the lagoons that survived into the Neocene was the large Araruama lagoon. However, the tectonic changes turned it into a bay with shallow waters.

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Such examples are the large well-bromeliad, species of this plant can reach 150 cm of radius and are endemic to open herbaceous areas of the restingas.


What would cause a bromeliad to become large? Today, the only large bromeliads are puyas, but they grow in the mountains where there is reduced competition. On the other hand, in wetlands there are many plant species that would be competitors to a large bromeliad.

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What would cause a bromeliad to become large?


Aechmea bromeliads are rather large - their rosette may reach 2 meters in diameter even now.

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Aechmea bromeliads are rather large - their rosette may reach 2 meters in diameter even now.


I did not know about them, thanks for interesting information! Then it seems realistic to have large bromeliads in restingas!

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I did not know about them, thanks for interesting information! Then it seems realistic to have large bromeliads in restingas!


The bromeliads would also be part of the flora of the dry areas of the restinga, closer to the sand dunes and away from the wetlands.

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Ground-dwelling bromeliads are most primitive in their family. Hechtia, Dyckia, Navia, Pitcarnia and Puya are among them. But Ananas is also ground-dwelling one.
In dry climate, epiphytic bromeliads are diverse. In dry Araucaria forests bromeliads of Billbergia genus live.

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Hi! Coming back with a new description, this time it's an owl.

Imperial owl (Bubo imperator)
Order: Strigiformes
Family: Strigidae
Habitat: Tropical South America, from open areas to forests.
Most of the survivors of the Holocene were adaptable species that survived the human interference to their habitats and the climatic changes. They continued to evolve and their descendents are now living in the Neocene. The imperial owl is one of these cases. A descendant of the widely distributed great horned owl (Bubo virginianus), this species inhabits all of Tropical South America, from open areas like savannas to forests, such as the Amazon rainforest and the Atlantic forest.
The imperial owl is one of the largest owls in South America. Females can grow to a total length of 75 to 77 cm, with a wingspan of 188 to190 cm. Males are slightly smaller. The plumage is dark brown with heavily barred and mottled underside, with a richly brown base. The facial disc is reddish-gray. The feet are dusky gray, while the legs are more prominently barred with black. The throat is white, being visible when the bird vocalizes. Like their ancestors, they have the prominent tufts of feathers in their heads. These “ears” are dark brown. Their large eyes are yellow and the claws are large and dark gray.
Imperial owls are generalistic and opportunistic predators, hunting any prey that is disponible in their territory. They feed on smaller mammals up to the size of rabbits, rats, opossums, small deers and small carnivores such as mustelids, felines and foxes. It can capture bats in flight. This species also eats birds like passerines, parrots, ducks, geese, herons and medium-sized birds of prey (including other species of owl), reptiles, frogs, spiders and large insects. They kill its prey using its powerful claws and pecking its head. The prey is then taken to a safe place to be devoured or to the nest. Surplus food is often stored in “hideouts” within their territory.
The typical vocalization is a sequence of low notes generally produced with the beak closed and the throat inflated. Monogamous, imperial owls mate for life and vocalization is an important daily ritual realized by both male and female to mark their territory during nesting season. Doing a duet, the male normally emits 4 to 5 bass notes per sequence and the female, 6 to 9 high notes.
The reproductive cycle begins in winter, when the nights are longer. After marking the territory, the male normally contacts the female, often the same one from previous years. Both will also vocalize in duets during courtship. The male offers potential nest sites to his mate, visiting each location, vocalizing guttural sounds combined with songs. Often the place chosen for the nest is the same as in other years. They usually use abandoned nests of large birds such as Hawks, large “hollows” in trees, a depression in a ravine or cliff, cave entrances and between rocks.
If the hollows in trees are occupied, the owls will expel or even eat them. They track woodpeckers to take over the nest that they made, using their sharp beaks to increase its size. Few birds and mammals can defend their nests from the owls' assaults.
The female lays 3 to 6 round, white eggs. While laying many eggs, only 2 or 3 owls survive to leave the nest, since competition for food is fierce. The dead young are eaten by their siblings and parents. The female incubates them alone for 28 to 35 days, being fed by the male. When food is abundant, it is stored in the nest itself, which becomes rotten. To avoid attracting insects, the owls cover the nest with leaves of repelling plants. The nestlings have a whitish down. They remain in the nest for approximately 7 weeks, but are unable to fly well until the age of 10-12 weeks, some fall out of the nest in the process of learning. Nestlings are quite noisy when they ask for food. They are fed by their parents until summer or even early autumn, and then leave their parents territory. Sexual maturity is reached the following year. This species has a lifespan of 27 years.

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Interesting bird! Except for:

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Surplus food is often stored in “hideouts” within their territory.


Does the ancestor have this trait? The only owl I know to stash food is the Eurasian pygmy owl.

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