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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 25.03.22 17:24. Заголовок: Galliformes and other animals for South America (продолжение)


Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 25.06.23 15:17. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: JOrni..


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JOrnitho what do you think about such idea. In Madagascar lives Eulemur mongoz - mongoose lemur.
If me make on the contrary: lemur mongoose, I mean mongoose looking like lemur, with lemur way if life and diet. May be make him absolutely herbivorous, eating fruits, berries, leaves, edible roots, may be nuts and mushrooms.


It's an interesting idea, but I think that this mongoose could be more like a squirrel, with a fluffy tail that helps it maintain balance while moving through trees. It could also be capable of jumping between branches.

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But where we could settle this lemur mongoose in South America?


I think that Amazon could be a good place for it. One relatard species could be present in the Atlantic rainforest too.

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Eulemur mongoz



So our mongoose will look the same?
It is have fluffy tail and capable jumping between branches. His length is 31 to 45 cm, tail length is 45 to 65 cm. But we can make him some other squirrel features.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 25.06.23 20:22. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: So ou..


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So our mongoose will look the same?
It is have fluffy tail and capable jumping between branches. His length is 31 to 45 cm, tail length is 45 to 65 cm. But we can make him some other squirrel features.


Yes, but I thought that it could have feet more similar to that of squirrel or rodent, rather than a primate.

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But the first idea was exactly to make lemur mongoose, not a squirrel mongoose. Squirrel honey-eating mongoose we can make for Atlantic forest or some other South American forest.

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But the first idea was exactly to make lemur mongoose, not a squirrel mongoose. Squirrel honey-eating mongoose we can make for Atlantic forest or some other South American forest.


I see. Then it can have a more primate-like appearance.

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I see. Then it can have a more primate-like appearance.


I've alredy decided to add lemur mongoose to the chapter about black jaguape and your Ipochereu will hunt him.

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I've alredy decided to add lemur mongoose to the chapter about black jaguape and your Ipochereu will hunt him.


Ok! Are we still going to have the squirrel-mongoose as a close related species in the Atlantic forest?

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Yes of course!

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Yes of course!

Kuatirana-aguare ( kuatirana - squirell in guarani, aguare - racoon in tupi).

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But I think we have already enough species to make chapter about marvelous forest
1. Atlantic cherry and 2. lowland jamelan
3. Grey-headed marmoset
4. Common sugar opossum
5. Blue-fronted macaw
6. Great Suindara
7. Great inamu
8. Tamoio cat
9. Great false woodpecker
10. Eyra
11. Panapanas
12. Southern night tapaculo
13. Gold-fronted erythrophonia
14. Rufous-bellied choca, or Rufous-bellied antshrike
15. Crested singing falcon
17. Mborevi
18. Akutituicha
19. Pukutirai gaba

Species that need a description
20. Tatumirim
21. Tiriba
22. Urare - may be it will be like hybrid of porcupine & Ailurus fulgens and with diet of panda.
23. Karumboi
24. A. Sanguya-aguara; B. Urare-aguara
25. Kuatirana-aguara
26. Tärähënötú - (bee in tapiete) descendent of Megalopta amoena (will be social night bee). But I'm not really sure if it will survive to neocene.
27. Patina - brazil nightblooming Dragonfruit (Hylocereus undatus or just Nightblooming cactus) (patina - it is in tapiete name of cactus that in english called Pricklypear).

It is already too much.

From genus Megalopta I think only two species can survive to neocene: Megalopta genalis (but in Central America and Columbia may be then it will spread on all Amazonia) & Megalopta mura (but in Amazonia may be then it will spread to the south regions).

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It is already too much.


Maybe we could remove some of these species. I think that we can remove the 13 and 14,.

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I like these birds, may be will remove 26 & 27.

Or let's make two chapters about Marvelous forest. For example: one part about diurnal life of the forest and the second about nocturnal life. Only it is necessary to divide the animals into those who will enter to the diurnal and nocturnal parts of the chapter.

And about the idea of adoption of the femail of jaguarete that lost her own cub the cub of Eira, may be she find him when he lost his mother and began to take care of him and feed him with milk for 2 months, but then expelled him, after which the female of Eira, who had her own kittens, found him and began to raise him as her own cub. Will this variant work? I still think it would be an interesting storyline of the chapter.

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Or let's make two chapters about Marvelous forest. For example: one part about diurnal life of the forest and the second about nocturnal life. Only it is necessary to divide the animals into those who will enter to the diurnal and nocturnal parts of the chapter.


I like this idea. I think that opossums, inamus, tapaculos and owl would appear in the night chapter.

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And about the idea of adoption of the femail of jaguarete that lost her own cub the cub of Eira, may be she find him when he lost his mother and began to take care of him and feed him with milk for 2 months, but then expelled him, after which the female of Eira, who had her own kittens, found him and began to raise him as her own cub. Will this variant work? I still think it would be an interesting storyline of the chapter.


I think that we could use your original idea.

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I think that opossums, inamus, tapaculos and owl would appear in the night chapter.


Also night bees and night blooming cactus.
And tatumirim: we've made him just for saber-tooth opossum hunting on him.
And as far as I remember your Tamoio cat is also nocturnal.
And we can make some new 2 or 3 nocturnal species.

The diurnal species is already enough.

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I think that we could use your original idea.


Thank you!

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And we can make some new 2 or 3 nocturnal species.


One of them could be a rodent. What type of interesting creature we can make with the Oligoryzomys nigripes?

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Another animal that could appear in the night chapter is a bat. We could have one that feeds of parasites in the fur of large herbivores.

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Another animal that could appear in the night chapter is a bat. We could have one that feeds of parasites in the fur of large herbivores.


Good idea! But do we have nocturnal large herbivores?

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What type of interesting creature we can make with the Oligoryzomys nigripes?


Something like that
by the color and form of body. It's diet will be insects, seeds, nuts and berries.
It's Xianshou songae.

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One of them could be a rodent.


I want to "reanimate" such animals from some rodents (I mean only body shape and color of the animal).
Like omnivourus Docodon
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and Adalatherium hui (he was herbivorous, but we can make it omnivorous or carnivorous )
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Both can be nocturnal. There will not be bigger than badger.

And from some opossum we can make something like nocturnal hybrid of Petauroides volans (by shape of body especially with a short pretty muzzle and large furry ears, very long fluffy tail but without flying membranes) and Spilocuscus maculatus (by the color with the same huge ginger spots on white fur).
And it will be interesting that 50% of its diet was sweet resin or sweet gum from some tree, 25 % leaves, and 25 % insects living on tree (first of all ants) (so it will have long sticky tongue). There are trees in the Atlantic forest with sweet resin or sweet gum? May be eucalyptus?

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Good idea! But do we have nocturnal large herbivores?


I thought that it could feed on mborevis and barocavias, cleaning them while they rest. The barocavia is also a nocturnal feeder, I think.

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Something like that
by the color and form of body. It's diet will be insects, seeds, nuts and berries.
It's Xianshou songae.


I like it! This one could fill theniche of squirrels during the night.

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I want to "reanimate" such animals from some rodents (I mean only body shape and color of the animal).
Like omnivourus Docodon
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and Adalatherium hui (he was herbivorous, but we can make it omnivorous or carnivorous )
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Both can be nocturnal. There will not be bigger than badger.


The first could be a descendant of Holochilus or Nectomys tat became more terrestrial. The second I think that would be better as a descendant of a mustelid like the Galictis that became an analogue to the badgers.

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There are trees in the Atlantic forest with sweet resin or sweet gum? May be eucalyptus?


Eucalyptus arevery common invasive species here in Brazil. I think that some could very well survive into the Neocene. The presence of descendants of these plants would cause some species to adapt to them. Local plants would need to develop adaptations to coexist with it and some animals could evove to feed on it, maybe a monkey that eats its leaves? Another thing is that eucalyptus easily catch fire, would it becomes more common in the lowland Atlantic forests? Would other plants adapt to survive these wildfires?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.06.23 23:01. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: The..


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The barocavia is also a nocturnal feeder, I think.


I'm not sure.

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I thought that it could feed on mborevis and barocavias, cleaning them while they rest.


It could be! But if we make really big nocturnal herbivorous animal? Only who will be the ancestor?
Cavia fulgida or Cavia aperea. To make something like Coryphodon
the same as on the picture.

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This one could fill the niche of squirrels during the night.


Yes it can.
We can call it Pseudoxianshou.

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The first could be a descendant of Holochilus or Nectomys tat became more terrestrial.


Better Nectomys squamipes, it will tear up the ground in search of rodents hiding in holes, soil invertebrates and edible roots, tubers and bulbs of plants.
he will have excellent sense of smell and hearing, but not very good eyesight. Will be big as badger.
The name Pseudodocodon.

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The second I think that would be better as a descendant of a mustelid like the Galictis that became an analogue to the badgers.


It is not interesting to make Mustelidae from Mustelidae, I really want to make it from rodent, may be Oligoryzomys nigripes or Akodon cursor.
Pseudoadalatherium

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Would other plants adapt to survive these wildfires?


I don't think so. Then it can be acacia, that is invasive in Atlantic forest.

For example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_auriculiformis with edible gum, leaves, flowers, seeds.
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_mearnsii with edible gum, edible endo-mycorrhizal fungi, edible fleshy & oil rich elaiosome of seeds, flowers provide very nitrogen rich pollen with no nectar, the protein-rich nectar in the leaf axials. The cracks and crevices in the wattle's bark are home for many insects and invertebrates. In Tasmania and South Australia from which this tree introduced the tree is home to scarab beetles & various grubs, such as wood moths.The rare Tasmanian hairstreak butterfly lays her eggs in these cracks, which hatch to produce caterpillar larva attended by ants (Iridomyrmex sp.) that feed off the sweet exudates from the larva. A. mearnsii is used similarly as a larval host plant and food source by the imperial hairstreak, Jalmenus evagoras.

I think second variant is better to settle on it that animal that I wanted made "from some opossum something like nocturnal hybrid of Petauroides volans (by shape of body especially with a short pretty muzzle and large furry ears, very long fluffy tail but without flying membranes) and Spilocuscus maculatus (by the color with the same huge ginger spots on white fur)". It will eat acacia's gum, leaves, nitrogen rich pollen from flowers, seeds, fungi, insects hiding under bark: ants, larvas of beetles and canterpillars of wood moths and butterflies (especially if this canterpillars have sweet exudates which will eat ants). it will have long sticky tongue to eat insects and sharp claws to peel off the bark. So he will help to pollinate the tree, spread tree seeds and spores of endomycorrhizal fungi, protect the tree from pests.

And also will be interesting to "reanimate" necrolestes
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May be from Tuco-tuco

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It could be! But if we make really big nocturnal herbivorous animal? Only who will be the ancestor?
Cavia fulgida or Cavia aperea. To make something like Coryphodon
the same as on the picture.


Any of the two could be a good choice, but I would like if it was the Cavia fulgida. This species could be endemic to the Atlantic Forest.

wovoka пишет:

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Better Nectomys squamipes, it will tear up the ground in search of rodents hiding in holes, soil invertebrates and edible roots, tubers and bulbs of plants.
he will have excellent sense of smell and hearing, but not very good eyesight. Will be big as badger.
The name Pseudodocodon.


I agree!

wovoka пишет:

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It is not interesting to make Mustelidae from Mustelidae, I really want to make it from rodent, may be Oligoryzomys nigripes or Akodon cursor.
Pseudoadalatherium


I think that we could have the ancestor being the Akodon cursor.

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For example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_auriculiformis with edible gum, leaves, flowers, seeds.
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_mearnsii with edible gum, edible endo-mycorrhizal fungi, edible fleshy & oil rich elaiosome of seeds, flowers provide very nitrogen rich pollen with no nectar, the protein-rich nectar in the leaf axials. The cracks and crevices in the wattle's bark are home for many insects and invertebrates. In Tasmania and South Australia from which this tree introduced the tree is home to scarab beetles & various grubs, such as wood moths.The rare Tasmanian hairstreak butterfly lays her eggs in these cracks, which hatch to produce caterpillar larva attended by ants (Iridomyrmex sp.) that feed off the sweet exudates from the larva. A. mearnsii is used similarly as a larval host plant and food source by the imperial hairstreak, Jalmenus evagoras.


In this case, I think that we can use the Acacia and even make some species of insects associated to it.

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And also will be interesting to "reanimate" necrolestes
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May be from Tuco-tuco


Interesting, this Tuco-tuco could have a flat skull to help excavate the ground.

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