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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 25.03.22 17:24. Заголовок: Galliformes and other animals for South America (продолжение)


Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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I think that is better to make another chapter. The São Francisco, for example, is in the transition between Caatinga and Mata Atlântica.


Then it will be animal for the chapter about Parana river

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 11.06.23 12:22. Заголовок: JOrnitho, I describe..


JOrnitho, I described the semi-aquatic armadillo from the river Parana basin
https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1686472214146-00000163-000-10001-0#035

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I described the semi-aquatic armadillo from the river Parana basin
https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1686472214146-00000163-000-10001-0#035


Cool! It's a very good description!

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Cool! It's a very good description!


Thank you! Let it be the first animal of future chapter about Parana river

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You haven't explain what his names means...


I'll add it!

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Оффтоп: please, stop making native names! they're hard to read and translate! if you want to add colorite, use spanish and portugese!


It was wovoka's idea, but I think that it's a nice touch to the species. And to show some of the culture of my country and continent.

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I made the description of the litopternoagouti, but changed the name for something "simpler".

Akutituicha, or forest litopternoagouti (Aepydasyprocta sylvatica)
Order:Rodentia
Family:Dasyproctidae
Habitat: The seasonal dry and moist broad-leaf tropical forests of the Atlantic coast of South America, also reaching the montane forests.
While the transition between the Neocene and the Holocene caused the extinction of many species, others remained alive and continued to evolve. Among the survivors are the agoutis (Dasyprocta), which gave rise to several new genus during the Neocene. The Aepydasyprocta, the litopternoagoutis, is one of them. They have a similar lifestyle to that of the extinct Victorlemoinea. This genus is a sister taxa to the deer agoutis, Jakarawa. The main representative is the akutituicha (akuti= agouti/tuicha=large, both words in the Guarani language). This species inhabits the seasonal dry and moist broad-leaf tropical forests of the Atlantic coast of South America, also reaching the montane forests.
Akutituichas are large rodents, with a body length of 190 to 250 cm and a height of 150 to 170 cm. Males are usually larger than the females. They are brownish with darker spots on the upper body. The face is dark brown with some white stripes. The fur becomes more reddish orange as it goes past the middle area of the animal. The legs are dark gray with white stripes.The ears are somewhat square in shape and they are tailless. The front feet have four toes and the back have three each. The claws are modified in hooves, giving it the appearance of a primitive ungulate. The most distinctive characteristic of this genus as a whole is their inflated snout, which is used by the animals to produce sounds to communicate with each other in the dense forests. They also have long necks and can stand upright with their hindlimbs to reach food in high branches.
Their diet consists mostly of seeds, pulp, leaves, roots and fruits. While they no longer are capable of holding nuts like their ancestors, the akutituichas can use their jaws and incisors to crush this type of food. They follow herds of mborevi through their trails for protection and to have access to food that is in higher places, since these large mammals can shake trees to make fruits fall.
Akutituichas live in pairs or small groups of parents and their most recent babies. They have no distinct breeding season, but females come into season only once a year and generally have one to two young. The cubs are born well developed, with eyes open and white striped fur. For the first five months the cub feeds on milk, only starting to have an adult diet after six months. They leave the familiar group within ten months. Sexual maturity is reached within eighteen months and they have a lifespan of 15 years.

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Good rodent!
About oncorhynchus mykiss at the Patagonian rivers: I think it can survive, but only as freshwater dwarf species.

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What do you think of a descendant of the Oncorhynchus mykiss living in the Macaé River in Southeastern South America. This species was introduced in this river of Rio de Janeiro and maybe it could survive in the Neocene.

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Interesting rodent!

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Akutituicha


Very good description! I like this animal

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 18.06.23 13:00. Заголовок: So for the Marvelous..


So for the Marvelous forest you can also describe dwarf, nocturnal & arboreal armadillo the descendant of one of this species:
1. Dasypus septemcinctus;
2. Euphractus sexcinctus;
3. Dasypus novemcinctus.
Who will be like Chlamyphorus truncatus & will be the prey for neocladosictis.
The name mirimtatu ( mirim means small in tupinamba, tatu - armadillo in tupi)

And we talk about these animals
Tiriba - from Brotogeris tirica
Karumboi (in tapiete - he eats snake) - from mongoose. But I think he would be not like real mongoose, he would be like Galidia elegans (also red, but not only with a striped tail, but with a completely striped body, only with ginger head).

And we need to give a name to mouse-sized mongooses one smaller ticks and small spiders eating and one bigger eating little scorpions, centipedes and poison dart frogs.

But it will be difficult to give them indians' names.

I think the bigger will have colour like Fossa fossana and smaller has colour like Mungotictis decemlineata.









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There is the Araguari amazonica that was added recently to the Bestiary.


Ok!

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Perhaps a species of porcupine could fill this niche, or an Echimyid.


Echimyid is better.

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I think that its more sense if is a armadillo, or a mongoose


Longnosed mongoose! It will be interesting!
It will be like hybrid of Myrmecophaga tridactyla & Eupleres goudotii.

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Goatzin cubs have claws on their wings. What if his descendants will keep them even as adults?


Neoarchaeopteryx?
It is very interesting idea!
But is it possible evolutionary?
May be it will be something like neoteny?

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Inia geoffrensis - will extinct (algocetus is grass eating, we need fish eating dolphin like mammal, may be small).


If we make an omnivourus dolphin for Orinoco and Amazon Rivers from Nasua nasua? They can swim, eat frogs and fishes & females live in large groups, consisting of 15 to 30 animals.

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So for the Marvelous forest you can also describe dwarf, nocturnal arboreal armadillo the descendant of one of this species:
Dasypus septemcinctus
Euphractus sexcinctus
Dasypus novemcinctus
Who will be the prey for neocladosictis
The name mirimtatu ( mirim means small in tupinamba, tatu - armadillo in tupi)


It's a cool idea! It could be a dwarf species related to the Jurumin. Also, tatumirim would be the correct way of writing it.

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And we talk about these animals
Tiriba - from Brotogeris tirica
Karumboi (in tapiete - he eats snake) - from mongoose. But I think he would be not like real mongoose, he would be like Galidia elegans (also red, but not only with a striped tail, but with a completely striped body, only with ginger head).


I'll work on this description. Would it have a tiger-like fur?

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And we need to give a name to mouse-sized mongooses one smaller ticks and small spiders eating and one bigger eating little scorpions, centipedes and poison dart frogs.

But it will be difficult to give them indians' names.


We can use composite names with timbu, which means animal/mammal or opossum. It can be used for both.

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Longnosed mongoose! It will be interesting!
It will be like hybrid of Myrmecophaga tridactyla & Eupleres goudotii.


Yes! It's an interesting species.

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Neoarchaeopteryx?
It is very interesting idea!
But is it possible evolutionary?
May be it will be something like neoteny?


Neoteny is an interesting evolutive mechanism, but would the hoatzin still be able to fly?

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It could be a dwarf species related to the Jurumin. Also, tatumirim would be the correct way of writing it.


It can be like Chlamyphorus truncatus.

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Would it have a tiger-like fur?


Not completely. It will be like Galidia elegans with the same stripes not only on the tail but on the body too. Only head not red but ginger.

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We can use composite names with timbu, which means animal/mammal or opossum. It can be used for both.


I propose such variants:
Sanguya-aguara - (in tupi "sanguya" (correctly writing sanguja, but spelling Sanguya, in tapiete just anguya) means any myomorphs, aguara - means racoon) - so the name will translate mouse-racoon - this will be name of smaller mongoose
Urare-aguara - (in tupi "urare" means animal from the family Echimyidae) - this will be name of bigger mongoose

Maybe better use name from tapiete? Because in spanish sanguja means leech or bloodsucker.

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but would the hoatzin still be able to fly?


I think yes!

So what do you think to make omnivourus, but more piscivorous "dolphin" (who can also eat frogs, snakes, crustaceans, and may be molluscs if he had very powerful jaws) from Nasua nasua in Orinoco and Amazon River? Or only in Orinoco? But also he could eat fruits that are falling from the trees, for example, fruits of Euterpe oleracea, Mauritia flexuosa, Inga edulis.

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I propose such variants:
Sanguya-aguara - (in tupi "sanguya" (correctly writing sanguja, but spelling Sanguya, in tapiete just anguya) means any myomorphs, aguara - means racoon) - so the name will translate mouse-racoon - this will be name of smaller mongoose
Urare-aguara - (in tupi "urare" means animal from the family Echimyidae) - this will be name of bigger mongoose

Maybe better use name from tapiete? Because in spanish sanguja means leech or bloodsucker.


I like these name, but they could also be timbusaguya and timburare. Timbu is any mammal (mostly used to opossums) in Guarani.
We could use urare in the name of the pholivorous Echimyidae that you mentioned some time ago. It could be part of a genus of very specialized herbivorous species, with all of its diet coming from leaves. There could ve a related species that eats bamboo.

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So what do you think to make omnivourus, but more piscivorous "dolphin" (who can also eat frogs, snakes, crustaceans, and may be molluscs if he had very powerful jaws) from Nasua nasua in Orinoco and Amazon River? Or only in Orinoco? But also he could eat fruits that are falling from the trees, for example, fruits of Euterpe oleracea, Mauritia flexuosa, Inga edulis.


Would it be plausible? We already have the Tapiraiauara and the iara, which are still in transition to aquatic lifestyle. I don’t know if between the Holocene and the Neocene would have enough time for the Nasua nasua to become aquatic like a dolphin.

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We could use urare in the name of the pholivorous Echimyidae that you mentioned some time ago.


In Orinoco delta I wanted to settle Mesomys hispidus in carib simurukure, it will be analogue of Bradypus variegatus (with the same strategy of making gardens of algae on the body). May be it will make new genus

Bamboo eating Echimyidae with tupi name urare better make from Kannabateomys amblyonyx and may be in Atlantic forest too.

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Timbu is any mammal (mostly used to opossums) in Guarani.


I don't really want to name mongooses with name of opossums
south american raccoons are a little bit closely to mongooses then opossums. And small mongooses will eat scorpions and racoons - crabs so even diets a bit similar.

So, as for me, better give tupi names aguare-sunguya & aguare-urare.

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Tapiraiauara


He is now more like crocodile.

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Yara


Yara is now more like seal.

May be in early neocene a little group of Nasua nasua in Delta of Orinoco river became live in semiaquatic way of life. And they have become faster a dolphin-like animals, but may be real omnivourus (they will not have powerful jaws & will eat only soft food: fish, frogs, young snakes, young crustaceans with still weak armor, insect larvae, big worms and leeches, we will come up with large river slugs for them and their distribution will very much depend on the distribution of coastal fruit trees, the fruits of which they will feed on if they fall into the water. So they will be small but collective "dolphins" (at least the females), smaller than Cephalorhynchus eutropia or Cephalorhynchus hectori and only distributed in the Orinoco.
So they will not be competitors not to eiba, not to yara, not to tapiruiara, not to algocetus.

May be they will not be completely like dolphins but like Peregocetus
or like protocetus
Which variant is better?




P.S. Could you please write that Akutituicha is some analogue of Victorlemoinea and make her the similar stripes on legs, neck and face like on the picture


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In Orinoco delta I wanted to settle Mesomys hispidus in carib simurukure, it will be analogue of Bradypus variegatus (with the same strategy of making gardens of algae on the body). May be it will make new genus

Bamboo eating Echimyidae with tupi name urare better make from Kannabateomys amblyonyx and may be in Atlantic forest too.


Ok! Kannabateomys are interesting rodents, with their monogamous and biparental lifestyle. They could have the size of an American porcupine.

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I don't really want to name mongooses with name of opossums
south american raccoons are a little bit closely to mongooses then opossums. And small mongooses will eat scorpions and racoons - crabs so even diets a bit similar.

So, as for me, better give tupi names aguare-sunguya & aguare-urare.


Ok.

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Which variant is better?


The second. It makes the animal different of the Tapiraiauara. Maybe there is a close related genus living in the Hippolyte and Amazon rivers, having dispersed there or when their common ancestor still walked or by swimming through the coast? They could have the size of a Sotalia dolphin.

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Could you please write that Akutituicha is some analogue of Victorlemoinea and make her the similar stripes on legs, neck and face like on the picture


I'll edit it.

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Kannabateomys are interesting rodents, with their monogamous and biparental lifestyle. They could have the size of an American porcupine.


Interesting!

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The second. It makes the animal different of the Tapiraiauara. Maybe there is a close related genus living in the Hippolyte and Amazon rivers, having dispersed there or when their common ancestor still walked or by swimming through the coast? They could have the size of a Sotalia dolphin.


Ok!
So from coati we are making in Peru forests an ant-eating "bear" and in Orinoko and rivers of Amazonia a fruit and fish eating "dolphin".

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I'll edit it.


Thank you very much! I think such details are making animal much more interesting.

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May be in early neocene a little group of Nasua nasua in Delta of Orinoco river became live in semiaquatic way of life. And they have become faster a dolphin-like animals, but may be real omnivourus (they will not have powerful jaws & will eat only soft food: fish, frogs, young snakes, young crustaceans with still weak armor, insect larvae, big worms and leeches, we will come up with large river slugs for them and their distribution will very much depend on the distribution of coastal fruit trees, the fruits of which they will feed on if they fall into the water. So they will be small but collective "dolphins" (at least the females), smaller than Cephalorhynchus eutropia or Cephalorhynchus hectori and only distributed in the Orinoco. So they will not be competitors not to eiba, not to yara, not to tapiruiara, not to algocetus.


Cetaceans are evoving again, but from anouher ancestor...
But why we have too many "whales" and "seals" from different ancestors at one place?

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algocetus


algocetus is "manatees", yara is "seal", tapiruiara is "ambulocetus" (so he is not yet a whale, he is still in niche of "crocodile"), eiba is "otter", and the water animal that i propose from coati is not a usual "dolphin" he is omnivourus. You'll see, when i describe it.

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Cetaceans are evolving again, but from anouther ancestor...


whom do you mean?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 24.06.23 23:08. Заголовок: JOrnitho what do you..


JOrnitho what do you think about such idea. In Madagascar lives Eulemur mongoz - mongoose lemur.
If me make on the contrary: lemur mongoose, I mean mongoose looking like lemur, with lemur way if life and diet. May be make him absolutely herbivorous, eating fruits, berries, leaves, edible roots, may be nuts and mushrooms.

By the way Urva javanica that was untroduced to Caribbean islands is omnivourus, so it can become herbivourus.

But where we could settle this lemur mongoose in South America?

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