Отправлено: 04.05.22 04:20. Заголовок: Fauna of Africa

I'm making this new topic after Биолог mentioned some interesting ideas for descendants of the tree hyraxes with more adaptations for an arboreal lifestyle. I was also thinking that they could be adapted to jump between branches and even trees.
Биолог, do you have more ideas about these animals?

 Отправлено: 04.08.23 01:38. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: And w..

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And what do you think about variant 27? I think, they look like very strong mongooses. Not like cougar, fox or wolf.

It's good, but I thought that the other had a more singular appearence. The 27 looks a bit canid-like.

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If we could unite in Photoshop these two animals

Uniting the two images would really help the predator look larger.

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But to be honest I don't really like them

The 6 looks that could be used for another species.

 Отправлено: 04.08.23 00:08. Заголовок: If we could unite in..

If we could unite in Photoshop these two animals:

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and to show that predatotor is really big to hunt on this prey.

 Отправлено: 05.08.23 19:26. Заголовок: May be this animal i..

May be this animal is more like mountain ring-tailed mongoose and not a hybrid of wolf and cougar?
Of course we need to make it red hair and red tail with black circles.

 Отправлено: 05.08.23 21:20. Заголовок: This is already bett..

This is already better!

 Отправлено: 05.08.23 21:54. Заголовок: медведь пишет: This..

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This is already better!

медведь, thank you!
But, as I said, it needs recoloring in Photoshop!

 Отправлено: 05.08.23 23:16. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: May b..

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May be this animal is more like mountain ring-tailed mongoose and not a hybrid of wolf and cougar?

This one is perfect!

 Отправлено: 05.08.23 23:25. Заголовок: But I like the color..

But I like the color and face of previous one. If we could connect them in one image...

 Отправлено: 21.08.23 10:16. Заголовок: So the bestiary of M..

So the bestiary of Madagascar mountains
1. Vontsira - big cougar-wolf like predator - descendent of Galidia elegans
2. Habeby - big donkey-lama like mountain herbivourus animal - descentent of domestic madagascar hornless sheeps
3. Maky (lemur in malagasy) - big social herbivourus and insectivourus mountain lemur - descendent of Eulemur rubriventer
4. Trandraka (tenrec in malagasy) - big collective predator, scavenger, insectivourus mountain tenrec - descendent of Hemicentetes nigriceps
6. Rabaraba (rat in malagasy) - semisocial mountain rodent - descendent of Nesomys rufus
7. Fatio (falcon in malagasy) - very big predator mountain bird - descendent of Falco newtoni
8. big flock granivorous mountain bird - descendent of Pterocles personatus
9. big flock herbivorus mountain bird - descendent of Coturnix delegorguei
10. small insectivourus terrestrial mountain bird - descendent of Atelornis pittoides
11. bigger insectivourus living on shrubs or little trees bird - descendent of Leptosomus discolor
12. Kalabe (cocroach in malagasy) big mountain cocroach - descendent of Gromphadorhina portentosa
13. mountain shrub with berries - descendant of Vaccinium madagascariense
14. mountain Poaceae grass - descendant of Loudetia simplex
15. and invasive Trifolium repens will be just remembered in fragment of the chapter.

 Отправлено: 21.08.23 10:54. Заголовок: wovoka Galidia eleg..

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Galidia elegans

Sorry, but I think that cougar-like animals are more likely to evolve from domestic cat - we already have fossa-like Felimalagasia gracilissima and many small arboreal mungos. Tendancy is obvious.

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and invasive Trifolium repens

How it can evolve? I think it can stay unchanged or became slighty ore adapted oor mountain live, so I think it's not nessecary.

 Отправлено: 21.08.23 12:04. Заголовок: лягушка пишет: How..

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How it can evolve? I think it can stay unchanged or became slighty ore adapted oor mountain live, so I think it's not nessecary.

I'll just remember it in chapter.

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Sorry, but I think that cougar-like animals are more likely to evolve from domestic cat - we already have fossa-like Felimalagasia gracilissima and many small arboreal mungos. Tendancy is obvious.

I will try to justify it in the description.

And don't forget, we have also Antamba fadi.

So tendancy is not so obvious.

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 03:12. Заголовок: I finished the descr..

I finished the description of a primate for Zinj Land:

Satanic guenon (Ceratopithecus satanas)
Order: Primates
Family: Cercopithecidae
Habitat: Evergreen forests and montane bamboo forests from Zinj Land, living largely in the forest canopy, coming to the ground infrequently.
In the Neocene, the Great Rift Valley was filled with ocean water, forming the Tanganyika Passage. The landmass that was separated from the rest of the continent was named the Zinj Land. The species that inhabited this region continued to evolve. Among them was the diademed monkey (Cercopithecus mitis). In the isolation offered by Zinj Land, this species gave rise to the Satanic guenon, an inhabitant of evergreen forests and montane bamboo forests from Zinj Land, living largely in the forest canopy, coming to the ground infrequently. This primate is close related to a lineage of guenons from continental Africa that evolved to partially fill the niche of Callitrichidae primates.
The main characteristic of this species of primate is the black and stiff fur that grows in a V shape on its eyebrows, giving the appearance of a pair of horns. In the males, this fur is longer than in the females. Another difference between the two is that the males have a prominent black beard, while the females lack it. The rest of their appearance is similar. It has little hair on its face, which is pale gray. The head and back is reddish-brown, while the underparts are silvery gray with a white belly. The tail is reddish-brown with a black tuff at the tip. Typical sizes range from 27 to 38 cm in length, not including the tail, which is almost as long as the rest of the animal, with females weighing a little over 500 grams and males up to 750 grams.
Satanic guenons eat fruits, figs, insects, leaves, eggs, young birds, twigs, sap, and flowers. They feed primarily on sap, using enlarged incisor teeth the same size as the canine teeth which are used for gouging holes in trees to extract exudates. A case of convergent evolution with South American Callitrichidae. Insects and eggs are their main source of protein.
This species is only diurnal, spending the night sleeping high in the canopy, similar to other primates. The species forms social groups of around 10-40 individuals, typically with a single male, around 10 females and their offspring. Males may change between groups, while females generally stay with the same group into which they were born. For the monkeys, most of their day is spent searching for food, and in between hunting, during rest time, the monkeys will take time to groom one another, play, and care for their young. This is the primary time for bonds to form and strengthen. The rest period during the day is also a great time for the infants to learn and grow mentally. In addition, they are social, and will interact with other monkeys that inhabit the same areas.
It has many different types of calls and sounds it will make based on the scenario. The monkey is known to croak, chuckle, shriek, and will even make distinct yelling sounds when it senses a threat, and wants to warn the others in the group. Another frequent call is one that the males of the haram will make. This is known as a gathering call and it lets the females and juveniles of the group know that they should return to their home range, near the male.
Verbal communications are not the only forms of communication that Satanic guenons employ. Many individuals will perform physical communications, including facial expressions, posture, hand signals, and even actions. They use their mouth and teeth as a way of being either dominant or submissive, and different mouth movements or shapes can mean different things. When showing teeth in a smile, the individual is usually submissive, but when growling and wide open, with a pushed out jaw, the monkey is aggressive.
This species is polygynous. Females go through an estrous cycle of 30 days, and this cycle can occur at any point in the year. The female normally gives birth to a single infant or, rarely, twins, after a gestation period of around six months. The female monkey is the primary caretaker, though siblings or non-related female monkeys may help to care for the newborn. The mother will suckle the infant for about six months, and then it will feed it a more adult-like diet, including fruit, nuts, and seeds. This species reaches maturity at about 3–4 years of age. A young male typically seeks out a new group that he can join or forms a new group in order to reproduce with unrelated females. The lifespan of a Satanic monkey is about 20 years in the wild.

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 10:46. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: a p..

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a primate for Zinj Land

Joao, it's good description, but we already have tree-dwelling herbivorous hyraxes (ashkoko and kin) there. So, first of all, we need to think about the ecological differences between them and primates. They must occupy different ecological niches, that do not overlap.

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 11:41. Заголовок: Автор пишет: Joao, ..

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Joao, it's good description, but we already have tree-dwelling herbivorous hyraxes (ashkoko and kin) there. So, first of all, we need to think about the ecological differences between them and primates. They must occupy different ecological niches, that do not overlap.

Maybe the primates could be more omnivorous? They could feed more of insects and small vertebrates, with fruits being a complement. I also had another idea of small descendants of guenons being analogues to tamarins, feeding on sap with specialized teeth, but I'm not sure where they could live. Zinj Land or Continental Africa?

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 09:37. Заголовок: Cool description!..

Cool description!

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 11:23. Заголовок: Interesting animal! ..

Interesting animal!

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Joao, it's good description, but we already have tree-dwelling herbivorous hyraxes (ashkoko and kin) there. So, first of all, we need to think about the ecological differences between them and primates. They must occupy different ecological niches, that do not overlap.

But the modern tree hyraxes do not compete with primates.

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 15:47. Заголовок: Автор, this primate ..

Автор, this primate is for the special chapter about Land of Zinj. The idea of Joao.
The bestiary is here https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-7-1703421584522-00000019-000-10001-0#033
What do you think?

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 18:37. Заголовок: JOrnitho This monke..

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This monkey is quite realistic, but we have arboreal hyraxes in Zinj Land that occupy similar ecological niche. So, this animal shouldn't exist or should be quite specialised to avoid concurence.
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But the modern tree hyraxes do not compete with primates.

They're not enough specialised to arboreal life and occupy other ecological niche then monkeys. In my opinion, they're more like bush babies. So it's bad argument.

 Отправлено: 24.12.23 19:51. Заголовок: лягушка пишет: This..

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This monkey is quite realistic, but we have arboreal hyraxes in Zinj Land that occupy similar ecological niche. So, this animal shouldn't exist or should be quite specialised to avoid concurence.

How they can be specialized? More omnivorous like the capuchin monkeys from South America, even using tools? Maybe big incisors to remove the bark of trees to eat insects and sap? I'm not sure how to change this description.
Also, I thought about a more carnivorous descendant of the yellow baboon living in Zinj Land forests and hunting monkeys and tree hyraxes in the canopy and in the continent a large descendant of guenon partialy filling the niche of chimpanzees.

 Отправлено: 27.12.23 01:37. Заголовок: I edited the descrip..

I edited the description of the guenon. Now it's specialized to feed on sap. We could make the description of a tree from Africa and Zinj land that is capable of producing sweet exudate. Any ideas of who could be the ancestor of this plant?

 Отправлено: 27.12.23 08:15. Заголовок: JOrnitho I edited t..

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I edited the description of the guenon. Now it's specialized to feed on sap.

Interesting! However, I think it should be smaller and more marmoset-like, and you should place it on its own genus.