Отправлено: 04.05.22 04:20. Заголовок: Fauna of Africa

I'm making this new topic after Биолог mentioned some interesting ideas for descendants of the tree hyraxes with more adaptations for an arboreal lifestyle. I was also thinking that they could be adapted to jump between branches and even trees.
Биолог, do you have more ideas about these animals?

 Отправлено: 01.08.23 13:09. Заголовок: JOrnitho, let’s try ..

JOrnitho, let’s try to make list of Neocene Madagascar Carnivores (described and still not described).



In the portrait of the Neocene Earth it is written:
“Carnivores of the island belong to four families – felids, canids and viverrids (descendants of the species introduced by people), and also Malagasy predators (more rare and specialized descendants of local kinds). Among them there are ecological analogues of leopards, cheetahs and mustelids. Canids and long-legged viverrids live mainly on plains, and felids, the most part of viverrids and Malagasy predators inhabit forested areas, bush and mountains of the central part of island”.

There are already described:
Felids
Felimalagasia (Felimalagasia gracilissima)
Order: Carnivores (Carnivora)
Family: Felids (Felidae)
Habitat: Madagascar, various types of forests.
https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enmammal.htm#felimalagasia_gracilissima_en
descendant of feral domestic cat

Native malagasy predators:
Gefana (Hyaenosoma velocipes): Family: Eupleridae
Habitat: Madagascar, savannas and sparse forests with small areas of thick forest.
https://sivatherium.narod.ru/2savlemr.htm
Descendant of fanaloka (Fossa fossana)

Squirrel mongoose (Mungartes scandens)
Family: Eupleridae
Habitat: tropical rainforests of Eastern Madagascar.
https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enmammal.htm#mungartes_scandens_en
Descendant of Galidictis fasciata

Sugar mungo (Floromungo flosculiphagus)
Order: Carnivors (Carnivora)
Family: Eupleridae
Habitat: tropical rainforests of Eastern Madagascar.
https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enmammal.htm#floromungo_flosculiphagus_en
Descendant of Galidictis fasciata

Bee mungo (Floromungo apiphilus)
Order: Carnivors (Carnivora)
Family: Eupleridae
Habitat: rainforests of East Madagascar.
https://sivatherium.narod.ru/enmammal.htm#floromungo_apiphilus_en
Descendant of Galidictis fasciata
Antamba (Antamba fadi)
Order: Carnivors (Carnivora)
Family: Eupleridae
Habitat: Madagascar, woodlands and savannas in the western part of the island.

https://sivatherium.narod.ru/mammals.htm#antamba_fadi_ru (in Russian) – the description needs a translation
descendant of Galidictis fasciata.

Also we decided to describe Madagascar savanna “jackals” – descendants of feral domestic dogs. We can call them Kivà – what means dog in Malagasy language

About long-legged viverrids, I know that only Viverricula indica was introduced in Madagascar, we can make her 1) a little variant of cheetah in savannas and 2) in the forest it can be the analogue of some mustelids.

But this savanna “jackals” and small “cheetah” we need ecologically separated from Gefala

About local Malagasy carnivores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eupleridae
Can really survive only:
1. Galidia elegans
I think we can make from it the analogue of forest wolf (and by shape of body) but with possibility of climbing trees. Forest tree-climbing falsewolf.

Can possibly survive:
1. Galidictis fasciata
2. Fossa fossana
3. Eupleres goudotii (we can make it a big swamp living animal with possibility of swimming and diving & eating amphibians and small animals of benthos). We can call it Swamp frog-eating falanouc or Mandrevo mpihinana sahona (Swamp frog-eater from Malagasy language)
4. Mungotictis decemlineata (has very little chance to survive, there now survived only 69 animals) but if it will survive, we can make something like mustelid of it in xerophilic bushes of western Madagascar. In Malagasy it is called bokiboky (pronounced "Boo-ky Boo-ky").

Have you any other ideas of other carnivores of Madagascar? For example, we should settle somebody big in the mountains of the island.

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About long-legged viverrids, I know that only Viverricula indica was introduced in Madagascar, we can make her 1) a little variant of cheetah in savannas and 2) in the forest it can be the analogue of some mustelids.

I think that the cheetah variant will compete with the Gefala, so perhaps it should be left as an analogue to mustelids.

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About local Malagasy carnivores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eupleridae Can really survive only: 1. Galidia elegans I think we can make from it the analogue of forest wolf (and by shape of body) but with possibility of climbing trees. Forest tree-climbing falsewolf. Can possibly survive: 1. Galidictis fasciata 2. Fossa fossana 3. Eupleres goudotii (we can make it a big swamp living animal with possibility of swimming and diving & eating amphibians and small animals of benthos). We can call it Swamp frog-eating falanouc or Mandrevo mpihinana sahona (Swamp frog-eater from Malagasy language) 4. Mungotictis decemlineata (has very little chance to survive, there now survived only 69 animals) but if it will survive, we can make something like mustelid of it in xerophilic bushes of western Madagascar. In Malagasy it is called bokiboky (pronounced "Boo-ky Boo-ky").

I like these ideas. Galidictis fasciata could become an analogue to meerkats in the savannas. Maybe Fossa fossana became a specialized insectivore? Eupleres goudotii coild be a complete analogue to the otters. I'm not sure if Mungotictis decemlineata can survive.

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Have you any other ideas of other carnivores of Madagascar? For example, we should settle somebody big in the mountains of the island.

Perhaps a cougar-like descendant of the Fossa fossana could live here? It could hunt a ungulate based on the Mangarsahoc.
By the way, I'll start working in the mongooses of South America.

 Отправлено: 01.08.23 21:03. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Eup..

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Eupleres goudotii coild be a complete analogue to the otters.

Like Atilax paludinosus; Genetta piscivora or Cynogale bennettii
But I imagine it a little bit differently, perhaps I will describe it myself.

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I'm not sure if Mungotictis decemlineata can survive.

It can be endemic of some small territory.

I like you other ideas!

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I think that the cheetah variant will compete with the Gefala

"gefana occupies an ecological niche of cheetahs and canids, and partly of hyenas"

But in the portrait of earth it is written long-legged viverrids live mainly on plains.
So, may be we can make dwarf cheetah from Viverricula indica hunting on smaller prey?

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By the way, I'll start working in the mongooses of South America.

It's good news!

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It could hunt a ungulate based on the Mangarsahoc.

donkeys extinct everywhere except prairies of North America, who will be ancestor of "Mangarsahoc"?
It can be only Phobocorninae or other Caprinae relative of Proboscilalomena monticola. Or donkey tenrec
There also could be descendants of domestic sheeps that became feral. The two main breeds African Long-fat-tailed sheeps and Fat-tailed Hair Sheeps.
http://dagris.ilri.cgiar.org/node/2475
So you can make mountain Mangarsahoc from hornless long-fat-tailed sheeps of Madagascar.

 Отправлено: 01.08.23 21:45. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: So, m..

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So, may be we can make dwarf cheetah from Viverricula indica hunting on smaller prey?

Perhaps like a serval cat? We could make it also fast, to run after prey like a cheetah.

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So you can make mountain Mangarsahoc from hornless long-fat-tailed sheeps of Madagascar.

I found a better candidate in the place of the Mangarsahoc: the Habéby! It's a sheep-like cryptid from Madagascar, perfect to be descendant of the Long-fat-tailed sheeps. The cougar-like Fossa fossana could hunt them in the mountains.

 Отправлено: 01.08.23 22:50. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Per..

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Perhaps like a serval cat?

Yes!

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Habéby

Let's the name will be Habéby, but the size and shape of body better will be like Mangarsahoc. Because habeby is too small according to the picture.

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 01:31. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: Let&#..

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Let's the name will be Habéby, but the size and shape of body better will be like Mangarsahoc. Because habeby is too small according to the picture.

I agree. It can be like an analogue to the Ovis vignei in the mountains of Madagascar. Do you have ideas for non-carnivorous mammals for Madagascar?

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 02:52. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: It ..

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It can be like an analogue to the Ovis vignei in the mountains of Madagascar.

Only hornless. Madagascar domestic sheeps are hornless.

But better make it hornless analogue of Equus kiang only long-fat-tailed.

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Do you have ideas for non-carnivorous mammals for Madagascar?

We forgot very important subfamily of Madagascar mammals https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesomyinae

For example I like eastern red forest rat (Nesomys rufus). It will be interesting to make something with it.

Unfortunately Malagasy giant rat (Hypogeomys antimena), also known as the votsotsa or votsovotsa, is Critically Endangered. It could become more big creature.

Have you ideas about this subfamily of rodents?

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 08:50. Заголовок: wovoka For example ..

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For example I like eastern red forest rat (Nesomys rufus). It will be interesting to make something with it.

We can make gliding descendant pf this animal, I think?

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Gymnuromys roberti

It's a "least concern" species, but we have wery small amount of information about it - so I think that we shouldn't describe its descendant.

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We can make gliding descendant pf this animal, I think?

It is interesting idea, but there are a lot of gliding animals in neocene. I always want to make the neocene analogue of Japan tree climbing hare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amami_rabbit
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Лазающий_заяц

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It's a "least concern" species, but we have wery small amount of information about it - so I think that we shouldn't describe its descendant.

There is such a usefull book:

Nick Garbutt. Mammals of Madagascar: A Complete Guide

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About Nesomys rufus page 224

About Gymnuromys roberti page 234

Gliding animal we can make from Brachytarsomys albicauda page 235

About other Madagascar rodents there is also information.

Unfortunately book unrecognized by Finereader.

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 12:49. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: But b..

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But better make it hornless analogue of Equus kiang only long-fat-tailed.

I also thought that it could have long ears, like a donkey, to be used a temperature control.

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It is interesting idea, but there are a lot of gliding animals in neocene. I always want to make the neocene analogue of Japan tree climbing hare

We could have a rat being an analogue to rabbits. Maybe Nesomys rufus could work, since Hypogeomys antimena is nearly extinct.

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 14:29. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: I a..

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I also thought that it could have long ears, like a donkey, to be used a temperature control.

I agree!

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an analogue to rabbits. Maybe Nesomys rufus could work

And if it make an analogue of Japan tree climbing hare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amami_rabbit, like I propose previously?

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since Hypogeomys antimena is nearly extinct.

Yes, if it will survive it could became big as capybara, but terrestrial.

And proposed by Лягушка gliding animal we can really make from Brachytarsomys albicauda.

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 15:19. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: And i..

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And if it make an analogue of Japan tree climbing hare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amami_rabbit, like I propose previously?

Good idea!

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Yes, if it will survive it could became big as capybara, but terrestrial.

Would it compete with local tenrecs?

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And proposed by Лягушка gliding animal we can really make from Brachytarsomys albicauda.

Yes. It would be a good species to develop patagium.

 Отправлено: 02.08.23 16:46. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Wou..

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Would it compete with local tenrecs?

We could propose him a specific diet. But he sure wouldn't survive.

Who of this subfamily of rodents have a little chance to survive? having very little population:
1. Eliurus webbi (page in book 230); 433
2. Eliurus tanala (page in book 229) 377
3. Nesomys rufus (page in book 224) 374
4. Eliurus myoxinus (page in book 232) 337 better make it gliding, it has very interesting tail
5. Eliurus minor (page in book 230) 337
6. Eliurus majori (page in book 228) 249
7. Macrotarsomys bastardi (page in book 240) 160
8. Gymnuromys roberti (page in book 234) 121
9. Nesomys audeberti (page in book 226) 121
10. Brachytarsomys albicauda (page in book 235) 83

But we shouldn't forget, there a lot of brown and black rats and house mice from "Big Earth" in Madagascar.

And to be honest the real very little chance to survive have only Nesomys rufus and may be Eliurus myoxinus. The other surely will extinct.

 Отправлено: 03.08.23 02:22. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: And t..

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And to be honest the real very little chance to survive have only Nesomys rufus and may be Eliurus myoxinus. The other surely will extinct.

I think that these two are the ones with best chance of surviving, then we can have the rest of Madagascar's rodents in the Neocene being descendants of black rat and house mice. We could make some interesting things with them.

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I think that these two are the ones with best chance of surviving

Yes one be the analogue of tree climbing hare the second a little gliding animal.

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the rest of Madagascar's rodents in the Neocene being descendants of black rat and house mice. We could make some interesting things with them.

For example?

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For example?

They could evolve into echimyid-like forms with spike strands of fur. There could also be aquatic mouses like Oryzomys, Nectomys and Holochilus.
Also, do you think that Macronectes petrels could survive in the Neocene?

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In russian part of forum are discussed a semiaquatic tenrec, eating gift of ocen on the beech? and sometimes swimming and diving to eat fish and crustaceans

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They could evolve into echimyid-like forms with spike strands of fur. There could also be aquatic mouses like Oryzomys, Nectomys and Holochilus.

many tentecs aready have spikes. Do we need echimyid-like forms of rats.
And water forms better make from native species. For example to make swimming lemurs in the Mangoky River.

An from rats it is interesting to make something specific and original

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I decided to make cougar-like mountain predator hunting on habeby from Galidia elegans (he has more chance to survive).

We call him Vontsika (one the variant of the name of this animal in malagasy)

The original form of animal
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And what I could made in neural networks
But he is or like wolf or like cougar, or like hybryd of this animals.
Best of all I like first variant and the face of second variant (the second looks like mongoose)
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1. 2. The third will be the perfect animal if we make it bigger and make it the body like a hybrid of cougar and wolf 3. May be this variant is the more like big cougar like predator (or it too small?) 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. Ring-tailed mungos live in small family groups of 3-4 or more individuals. When moving, the female usually goes first, the male follows her or closes the procession after the cubs. The group usually lives in one hole. During the day, animals from the same group play with each other for a long time. 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30.

Which variant do you like the most?


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Also, do you think that Macronectes petrels could survive in the Neocene?

I think he could.

 Отправлено: 03.08.23 20:56. Заголовок: wovoka пишет: Which..

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Which variant do you like the most?

The third is the one that look the best. The others seems more like a cross of a cougar and a fox.

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I agree with JOrnitho.

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The third is the one that look the best.

But he looks to small to hunt on the habeby. I need the animal as big as cougar, with big body, long powerful legs and paws, powerful jaws.

Can we make him more big in photoshop?

And what do you think about variant 27? I think, they look like very strong mongooses. Not like cougar, fox or wolf.


More variants:
But to be honest I don't really like them
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1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.