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Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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I'm not sure why it never happened, but some fruit eating bats of South America can reach the size of small species of the Megabats. My idea is that they would not be large like the largest flying foxes, but would be a bit larger than the living American fruit bats and more specialized to this diet.


Then it could be!

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I and a friend (he is a biology student that work with bats) worked in the description of a species of a large frugivorous bat:

Masked andiraçu, or masked giant fruit bat (Macroartibeus personatus)
Order: Chiroptera
Family: Phyllostomidae
Habitat: The moist broadleaf forests that extend along the Atlantic coast of South America, also known as Atlantic forest. Also present in the area that used to be the Argentine province of Missiones.
In some species, the source of food used by them is responsible for the path that their evolution took. Individuals in a population that showed characteristics, which could have appeared through mutations, favorable to use a certain source of food could pass it down to their descendants, resulting in a process of speciation. In the Neocene, an example of such speciation was with the genus Macroartibeus, the andiraçus, which means great (açu) bat (andira) in Tupi-guarani. They are descendants from the Artibeus genus. The type species of the genus is the gray-headed andiraçu, a very large phyllostomid bat that inhabits the Atlantic forest of South America.
The masked andiraçu is perhaps one of the largest bats in South America. It has a body length of 35 cm and a wingspan of 127 cm. They have powerful mandibles and strong masseter muscles. Their fur is mostly brown. This species is sexually dimorphic, with males having a characteristic white pattern around the eyes, snout and forehead that is similar to a mask. Females have light gray heads. The wing’s skin is black. Their ears are rounded and covered with pale bluff fur. The patagium, the skin between the legs, is very small, and they lack a tail, which is similar to its ancestors. They have a small nasal leaf, but the nostrils are large.
All members of the genus Macroartibeus are mostly frugivorous, but they can also eat flowers, nectar and leaves, being one of the few species of South American bats that eat leaves. THey are also important pollinators. Insects are only seldom eaten. The fruits most eaten by them are descendants of the jackfruit (Artocarpus heterophyllus) and the breadfruit (Artocarpus altilis) that were introduced in South America by the humans. These descendants have hard peels that the bats are able to cut through by using their powerful mandibles and masseter muscles. Their presence in a region is denounced by the biting marks left by these bats in such fruits. This habit allows smaller bats to have access to the soft pulp, with some species even following andiraçus to eat it. To find food, they rely heavily on their sense of smell. They have large olfactory bulbs to process scents. Their echolocation capabilities are limited compared to their ancestors. Their predators are birds of prey such as large owls, predatory nyctibiids, serpents and felines.
The masked andiraçu is nocturnal and roosts in colonies hidden in caves. Such colonies consist of one to three males, three to 14 females, and the shared offspring. The females give birth to a single offspring each year although occasionally twins are born. Breeding in this is bimodal and polyestrous with births being dependent on food abundance. Females give birth twice a year with one young on average for each birth. Mating is highest at the end of the wet season and births take place in the dry months. Embryonic development may delay in the second breeding season but parturition will occur in the following breeding period.
Gestation is usually 5 months but can be as long as 7 months when there's delayed embryonic development. The female gives birth while perching and the newborn emerges unaided, head first. Mothers carry their pups when they are one day old but later leave them in the roosting area for the day. Young are weaned by 23 days. Young gain a full, permanent set of teeth at 50 days and can fly by 60 days when their forearms are fully developed. Females are sexually mature by eight months and males by 12 months. They have a lifespan of 12 years.
A closely related species is the helmeted guandiraçu (Macroartibeus galeatum), a inhabitant of the Amazon rainforest. This species is larger than the masked andiraçu, with a body length of 40 cm and a wingspan of 132 cm. The most distinctive characteristic of this species is the dense white fur that covers the male's forehead and crown, it gives them the appearance of wearing helmets. The female's head is light gray. They form colonies in caves or in large tree holes. These colonies are similar in composition to that of their relatives, with one to three males, three to 14 females, and the shared offspring.
Another species of the genus is the bearded guandiraçu (Macroartibeus barbatus), an inhabitant of the Andean cloud forests. It's the smallest in the genus Macroartibeus: with a body length of 30 cm and a wingspan of 124 cm. Males have elongated strands of white hair growing on their chin and throat, giving the appearance of a beard. Females lack such structure, having a light brown head with pale gray in the chin and throat. Colonies are formed in caves and tree holes. Their colonies are smaller, usually with a very territorial male, six females and their pups.

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Interesting bats. Does the "beard" prevent the bearded guandiraçu from flying and hanging upside down?

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Interesting bats. Does the "beard" prevent the bearded guandiraçu from flying and hanging upside down?


I don't think that it would happen because the beard would not be long. I would only be some few centimeters long fur in the chin and throat.

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Interesting bat!

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I made the description of a new species of mouse and modified one about the magrove rat that I posted some time ago.

Atlantic mangrove rat (Palustromys cancrivorus)
Order: Rodentia
Family: Cricetidae
Habitat: Mangroves and coastal lagoons of Southeastern and Northeastern South America.
The anthropogenic onslaught over nature during the Holocene had damaged several ecosystems and brought several species to extinction. The disappearance of humanity gave some respite to the survivors and they continue to evolve, allowing several new species to appear in the Neocene. The water rats (Nectomys) were capable of surviving and their direct descendants are the rodents of the genus Palustromys. The type species of this group is the Atlantic mangrove rat, an inhabitant of the mangroves and coastal lagoons of Southeastern and Northeastern South America.
The Atlantic mangrove rat has a 19 cm body length and a tail of 15 cm. It has relatively longer, less hairy ears and a glossy, long pelage. This pelage is made up of wool hairs and guard hairs and is dark brown dorsally and is light gray on its sides and ventrally. All representatives of this genus have palmed hind feet, which allows them to swim. They have strong muscles in their head, allowing them to deliver powerful bites.
They are omnivorous mammals with a diet ranging from fruits and leaves to insects and small fish. They have preference for the fruits of the mangrove trees, being able to risk climbing to reach it. With their powerful bite, the mangrove rats can crush crustaceans. These rodents are also capable of removing snails from their shells.
They are solitary mammals that are active during the night. The males have a much less defined home range and tend to roam, while the females are very territorial and do not tolerate other females in their territory. Conflicts between females can be vicious, especially if one of them has a litter. This happens due to infanticides being common in this species, with females killling the litters of others with the purpose of usurping their territory.
When swimming and searching for food, the mangrove water rat is able to detect objects under water and lift them above the surface in order to inspect to see if the object is edible or not using olfaction and sight. When hunting on land it is able to secure prey but pouncing and grasping with its forepaws.
Nests are generally built in a similar way to those of birds and consist of dry twigs and leaves woven together. They are built inside dead trees alongside streams and under dense vegetation for protection
The Atlantic mangrove rat is a polygynous rodent in which males will increase their home range in an attempt to mate with many females to produce the most offspring possible. Although males tend to be sexually active all year long, the females have a higher pregnancy rate during the wet season. This will produce offspring that have an abundant food source when born, resulting in greater growth and larger populations.
Gestation periods last around 30 days and the litters can be as small as 1 offspring and as large as 7. Males are generally absent when raising the altricial young, so the female is responsible for feeding and caring for their young. This species has a lifespan of 3 years.
Another representative of this genus is the Amazon mangrove rat (Palustromys amazonicus). This species inhabits from the mangroves of Northern South America to the flooded forests of the Amazon River. Their size is similar to that of the Atlantic species, but their fur is black rather than dark brown. Living in the coastal lagoons of Southern South America, the Southern mangrove rat (Palustromys australis) is another representative of the group. This species has a body length of 16 cm, while its tail measures 11 cm. They have a reddish brown fur with white underparts. This species will visit beaches during the night in search of mollusks and small crustaceans. They can also consume beached algae.

Atlantic marsh mouse (Paludicolomys megacephalus)
Order: Rodentia
Family: Muridae
Habitat: Marshlands and freshwater reservoirs of the Atlantic forest in South America.
During the Holocene house mice (Mus musculus) were a widespread species, having followed humans during the colonization of new continents. This species had become a plague, being a reservoir of dangerous microorganisms and also damaging crops. With the disappearance of humans, mice's numbers dwindled without having the food source provided by humanity’s trash and plantations. Only those that had adaptations that allowed them to overcome this situation were able to survive in the Neocene. One of such lineages gave rise to the marsh mice of genus Paludicolomys. The type species of this genus is the Atlantic marsh mouse, an inhabitant of marshlands and freshwater reservoirs of the Atlantic forest in South America, an inhabitant of the marshlands and freshwater reservoirs of the Atlantic forest in South America.
The Atlantic marsh mouse is a small rodent, with 77-100 mm of body length and 70-90 mm of tail length. Their most distinctive characteristic is the large hindfeet that can measure 24-28 mm. Well developed interdigital membranes are present in the toes of the hindfeet, but they are reduced in the front feet. The tail has sparse hair and is bicolored, being dark in the upper parts and light colored in the underparts. The ears are rounded and short. The head is robust, with strong muscles. The fur is dense and dark straw-colored with reddish strands in the upper parts of the body, while the lower parts are pale buff. They have long and very sensitive whiskers that allow them to detect their enviroment while they are swimming
While omnivorous, the diet of the Atlantic marsh mouse is composed mostly of aquatic invertebrates. They swim actively after aquatic insects and crustaceans, grabbing them with their fore limbs and using their incisive teeth to break through their exoskeleton. Seeds, tadpoles and small fishes are also eaten. They are more active during crepuscular hours.
Male Atlantic marsh mice have established territories with access to a water body. They behave aggressively near other males, being common that fights between them end in death. Five to seven females live inside the territory of a male. Male marsh mice court females by emitting characteristic ultrasonic calls. The calls are most frequent during courtship when the male is sniffing and following the female; however, the calls continue after mating has begun, at which time the calls are coincident with mounting behaviour. The vocalizations differ between individuals and are as complex as bird songs. While females have the capability to produce ultrasonic calls, they rarely do it. Males also use calls to mark territory, with them vocalizing to signal their presence every day.
Following copulation, female mice will normally develop a mating plug which prevents further copulation. The plug is not necessary for pregnancy initiation, as this will also occur without the plug. The presence or absence of the plug will not affect litter size either. This plug stays in place for some 24 hours. The gestation period is about 19–21 days, and they give birth to a litter of 3–14 young, with an average litter being composed of six to eight. The litter is born in a nest made of dry grass and twigs. One female can have 5 to 10 litters per year, so the mouse population can increase very quickly. Breeding occurs throughout the year. Atlantic marsh mice usually live less than one year in the wild, due to a high level of predation and exposure to harsh environments.
Other species in the genus Paludicolomys:
Montane marsh mouse (Paludicolomys montanus)
This species is endemic to wetlands and rivers in montane areas of Southeastern South America. The montane marsh mouse has 74-98 mm of body length and 68-88 mm of tail length. The upper parts of their body is dark brown, while the lower parts is white.
Paraná marsh mouse (Paludicolomys paranaensis)
This species inhabits the wetlands and marshes that are formed by the Paraná river while it flows along the central axis of the Paraná Basin. This species is the largest in the genus with 80-110 mm of body length and 79-105 mm of tail length. The upper parts of their body is cinnamon rufous, while the lower parts are pale buff.

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Interesting rodents! But does the ancestor of the Atlantic mangrove rat display such infanticide behaviour?

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Interesting rodents! But does the ancestor of the Atlantic mangrove rat display such infanticide behaviour?


There isn’t many researches about Nectomys reproductive behaviour, but it's know that the females of this species are territorial. The idea is that they became even more territorial, with females doing infanticide. Females of some species of rodents already do infanticide with the purpose of forcing other females of the territory.

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Interesting rodents!
I wonder what the basal forms of neoichthyomys would look like? What would be their advantage over martens, skunks, raccoons and mongooses? After all, they managed to occupy a water niche before them. Could they have a simple form of echolocation, like a desman?

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There isn’t many researches about Nectomys reproductive behaviour, but it's know that the females of this species are territorial. The idea is that they became even more territorial, with females doing infanticide. Females of some species of rodents already do infanticide with the purpose of forcing other females of the territory.


Then it is OK.


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Could they have a simple form of echolocation, like a desman?


Do desmans really have echolocation? I know that some shrews have, but desmans?

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Interesting rodents!
I wonder what the basal forms of neoichthyomys would look like? What would be their advantage over martens, skunks, raccoons and mongooses? After all, they managed to occupy a water niche before them. Could they have a simple form of echolocation, like a desman?


Are the ancestors of neoichthyomys capable of using echolocation or ultrasonic vocalization like Mus and other rodents do? If they can, then it's even more plausible that it will evolve this way.

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Do desmans really have echolocation?


Well, this can be called echolocation conditionally: the sensitive organs of Eimer are located on the nose of the Desman. Before diving, the animal beats its paws on the water, creating a wave and quickly lowers its nose, perceiving the reflected vibrations.

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Are the ancestors of neoichthyomys capable of using echolocation or ultrasonic vocalization like Mus and other rodents do?


Only moles have Eimer's organs, rodents don't. So neoichthyomys probably won't have "echolocation" like a Desman. The use of ultrasound has also not been observed in Ichthyomys. But should they have any advantage over carnivores?

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Only moles have Eimer's organs, rodents don't. So neoichthyomys probably won't have "echolocation" like a Desman. The use of ultrasound has also not been observed in Ichthyomys. But should they have any advantage over carnivores?


From what I understand, they replaced the aquatic carnivores because they were fast to reproduce and evolve, filling that niche before the carnivores had the chance.

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Well, this can be called echolocation conditionally: the sensitive organs of Eimer are located on the nose of the Desman. Before diving, the animal beats its paws on the water, creating a wave and quickly lowers its nose, perceiving the reflected vibrations.


Interesting! Thank you for telling! I did not even know about these organs!

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I ahve some ideas for new species:

-A descendant of the ocelot (Leopardus pardalis) that is adapted to hunt monkeys, opossum and even smaller predators in the tree canopy, such as other felines. It would have very adapted limbs. Sometimes they would hunt animals in the ground too.

-A large omnivorous descendant of the tegu (the size of an asian water monitor) that eats carrion, fruits and hunts small animals. It would be able to move on its hind legs, showing better adaptation to that than its ancestors. Tegus already are able to run using the hind legs. It would also have long claws in the fore limbs used for intimidation rather than aggression.

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Interesting ideas! But could it be a descendant of the margay instead? Or would it not survive the Holocene?

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Interesting ideas! But could it be a descendant of the margay instead? Or would it not survive the Holocene?


The margay could survive in the Neocene. I sugested the ocelot because there is cases of it preying upon other Leopardus and even domestic cats. I proposed a descendant of the domestic cat, but it would be terrestrial. It would be cool if we could make niche partitioning for other Leopardus and this descendant of the domestic cat, with all of them being prey for the ocelot's descendant.

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An interesting fact is that there are published reports of a margay mimicking the vocalization made by pups of pied marmoset (Saguinus bicolor). Maybe we could explore this adaptation and have a descendant of the margay thatbis adapted to hunt smaller primates.

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An interesting idea! But will the marmoset in question survive into Neocene?

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An interesting idea! But will the marmoset in question survive into Neocene?


This species is critically endagered, but I don't see why the margay would not be able to mimic other species of marmoset. There are many other species close related to the pied marmoset that could survive and be the margray's prey.

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