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Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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медведь пишет:

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I have not heard about fish laying their eggs only on a particular species of plant.



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Then we should come up with with specific form of symbiosis between the plant and the fish. Оффтоп: May be it is a absolutely crazy idea but may be fish fry will be a kind of pollinators of the flowers. Or we should find another form of symbiosis.


I meant that this species could lay its eggs in different water plants, including the water lily. But I like the symbiosis idea.

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In the flowers of waterlily will be living female of local mantis the oviposit there and in the same time hunting on the bees that pollinating the flowers. The fish will be eating mantis before spawning and fish fry will eat mantis eggs. The mantis female will be very productive to oviposit as more eggs, then at list several eggs stay uneaten by fry.


It could eat butterflies too. Such situation makes me think that this fish could be the archer fish-like ciclid that I proposed some days ago. They could hit the mantis hiding in the lily with sprays of water.
By this point, I think that this could be worthy of a separate chapter

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By this point, I think that this could be worthy of a separate chapter


I'm afraid that we are so carried away by the process of inventing new animals that have been making so many species for Maracaibo Gulf that we already need to separate it into two chapters and I propose such names of the chapters:
1. "Maracaibo: The lake that become a gulf"
2. "Maracaibo: Catatumbo lightning"

So we can describe also a mantis, a bee, a butterfly and archer fish-like ciclid (the ancestor will be Andinoacara pulcher very beautiful local fish with local name Acara, that mean stream, and will name it Apeina - what means stream in carib language).

Paramparan - any butterfly in carib language. Tomorrow I'll choose the most beautiful local butterfly for the ancestor.

And then we should divide the described species on two interrelated chapters.

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As far as I understand butterflies don't pollinate waterlilies and the biggest waterlilia Victoria Amazonica is pollinated by beetles Cyclocephala hardyi https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803590/

so i don't know if we need to describe a butterfly

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I'm afraid that we are so carried away by the process of inventing new animals that have been making so many species for Maracaibo Gulf that we already need to separate it into two chapters and I propose such names of the chapters:
1. "Maracaibo: The lake that become a gulf"
2. "Maracaibo: Catatumbo lightning"


I like these names.

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So we can describe also a mantis, a bee, a butterfly and archer fish-like ciclid (the ancestor will be Andinoacara pulcher very beautiful local fish with local name Acara, that mean stream, and will name it Apeina - what means stream in carib language).


This archer fish could also have species living in other rivers, perhaps even in the Amazon. The igapó could be a good place for them.

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so i don't know if we need to describe a butterfly


We could describe a beetle, perhaps a descendant of the Cyclocephala hardyi that evolved to feed in the nectar of water lilies.

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We could describe a beetle, perhaps a descendant of the Cyclocephala hardyi that evolved to feed in the nectar of water lilies.


The name of this beetle in Carib Mureru tano.
But I think he will have some kind of device to protect against mantis.

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This archer fish could also have species living in other rivers, perhaps even in the Amazon. The igapó could be a good place for them.


Yes it can get to Amazon river from Orinoco Rio.


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The igapó could be a good place for them.


Oh my God! You want to make a chapter about the igapos?
We can't describe all Neocene South America

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Oh my God! You want to make a chapter about the igapos?


No! I mean that we could add species in the description that live in these areas.
But now you are giving me ideas!

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But I think he will have some kind of device to protect against mantis.


Maybe it has some defense in the exoskeleton to protect against the mantis? Some type of hard structure. It would make them terrible fliers.

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Maybe it has some defense in the exoskeleton to protect against the mantis? Some type of hard structure. It would make them terrible fliers.



There is such an ant Acromyrmex echinatior - it has something like knight metal armor - biomineral exoskeleton with CaMg(CO3)2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19566-3
May be the beetle will use something like that.

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There is such an ant Acromyrmex echinatior - it has something like knight metal armor - biomineral exoskeleton with CaMg(CO3)2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19566-3
May be the beetle will use something like that.


Perhaps. A good name for it could be the Knight beetle.
Another animal that could appear there in this chapter is a descendant of the Jacana jacana.

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A good name for it could be the Knight beetle.


I think, we can give him double name Mureru tano, or Knight beetle.

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Another animal that could appear there in this chapter is a descendant of the Jacana jacana.


Yes it could. The name in carib language Amapejàu

But let's count, how many species for region we have already described or decided to describe.

Mammals:
1. Yara - water descendent of tayra. - described
2. Awaruwape - semiaquatic swimming in salt sea water jaguar-like descendent of ocelot - described
3. Tapiraiaura - the ambulocetus-like descendant of the Procyon cancrivorus - described
3. Cabiai-pyinko - peccary-like descendent of brazilian guinea pig - described
4. Meku - semiaquatic collective descendent of Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin (Cebus albifrons) (Meku is Caribbean name of other capuchin monkey Cebus apella: brown capuchin, i think that neocene water monkeys will be more like brown capuchin wih the same color and form of body) - described
5. Parana-aware - descendant of Didelphis marsupialis, which will become aquatic like Chironectes minimus (but living in salt water) and snakes-eating (the name means sea opossum in carib language), but he will live only in the gulf Maracaibo. - undescribed

Birds
6. Karara - flightless descendent of giant darter (Anhinga) (in Carib language karara means and darter, and cormorant). described
7. Karapisuru - descendent of Porphyrula martinica (carib name of this bird) - described
8. Sansaparu - descendent of Rallus longirostris: clapper rail - described
9. Kàwiriri - descendent of Dendrocygna autumnalis (Kàwiriri - is the name of this duck in carib language). - described
10. Teitei - descendant of Vanellus chilensis (the name of this bird in wayuu language) - described
11. Warulapai - big predator bird catching big fish, water snakes, little turtles, water birds and also cubs of Yaras, Algocetuses, Tapiraiaura, Meku, Cabiai-pyinko. Will be descendant of Parabuteo unicinctus (Warulapai - means big predator bird in wayuu language). - described
12. Kotooro - will be descendant of Pionus menstruus eating crabs and shellfish in the mangroves (Kotooro - means parrot in wayuu language). - described
13. Katipirüin - descendent of Pyrocephalus obscurus (the name in wayuu language) - it will be catching flies, mosquitoes and different parasites on the bodies of barocavias and Cabiai-pyinko. - described
14. Kaarai - descendent of Tachybaptus dominicus (the name of any water bird species in Wayuu language (language of Guajiro Indians that living on the banks of Maracaibo lake) - described
15. Ai-Karala - descendent of Podilymbus podiceps. It would hunt in the Maracaibo gulf during the night.(name means night bird in in wayuu language) - described
16. Amapejàu - descendant of the Jacana jacana (the name in carib language). -undescribed
17. Cyculi - descendent of sungrebe (Heliornis fulica) (Cyculi - is the name of the bird in Guahibo language) - may be will describe , lets give it interesting niche in the delta of Catatumbo.


Reptiles
18. Sakompo - giant sea water snake analogue of Anaconda (carib name of Boidae family) - described
19. Asakaimo - rattlesnake [Crotalus durissus) - described
20. Arakaka - Guiana wood turtle, scorpion mud turtle, galap (Rhinoclemmys punctularia) - sometimes found in Lake Maracaibo, we can give this name arakaka to Rhinoclemmys diademata (the endemic of Maracaibo) -undescribed (I'll describe)
21. Tarekaja - sea turtle -undescribed (I'll describe)

Fishes
22. Typanake-tunu (Typanake means catfish, tunu means shark in carib) -undescribed
23. Wentameke-arawana (in carib language this name means “in eating habits similar to fish arawana) -undescribed
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24. Ari-Tukunare (in carib language Ari means shellfish and Tukunare is name of Cichla ocellaris (Cichlidae)) by it’s form it’s a little bit similar to Geophagus steindachneri. Cichla ocellaris will be the ansector of this species. -undescribed
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25. The descendents of Лягушка's schooling Salinopoecilia marinis https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1680916744566-00000177-000-10001-0#111 that get into the gulf will call Sapelko (it is carib name of Poecilia parae, maybe it will be the ansector of Salinopoecilia marinis)
I think that fishes will occupy a lot of nishes and have several subspecies:
A: Itupu-sapelko herbivores fish (itupu - grass in Carib)
B: Amòiky-sapelko - planktonvorus fish (Amòiky means "collect many small objects" in Carib )
C: Ìmempìkiwoto-sapelko small fish eating (Ìmempìki – very small; woto - the name of any fish)
D: woto-sapelko medium fish eating
E: pàporo-sapelko omnivores fish (pàporo - means "everything" in Carib)
F: mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail)
all subspecies undescribed

25. Kariwiri - the Carib name off unknown fish from the Characidae family, this name we will give to scooling cardinal tetra. undescribed
26. Apeina - (what means stream in carib language) archer fish-like ciclid (the ancestor will be Andinoacara pulcher very beautiful local fish with local name Acara, that mean stream) undescribed

Invertebrates
27. Parare - mantid in Carib language. undescribed
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28. Maba - in arawak language called Melipona favosa what is translated honey will pollinate Mureru undescribed (I will describe)
29. Mureru tano, or Knight beetle. - the biggest waterlilia Victoria Amazonica is pollinated by beetles Cyclocephala hardyi, will pollinate Mureru https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803590/ and will have exosceleton like an ant Acromyrmex echinatior - it has something like knight metal armor - biomineral exoskeleton with CaMg(CO3)2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19566-3
30. Kusa - descendant of blue crab (Ucides cordatus) described


Plants
31. Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. - undescribed
32. Mureru - waterlily in Carib, descendant usual Nymphaea alba invasive from Europe but it can evolve to the form of Victoria amazonica.

I think that's enough!

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Cyculi


Since we are going to make a chapter about the Catatumbo Delta, I think that the sungrebe could fit on this one. What do you think?
I made the description of the parana-aware. The fishes are going to be the next.

Parana-aware, or Sea opossum (Thalassodelphis agilis)
Order:Didelphimorpha
Family:Didelphidae
Habitat: Maracaibo Gulf and nearby brackish areas
The human actions during the Holocene caused the extinction of all the species of otters. The niche left by them was filled by several different species that weren’t related to the subfamily Lutrinae. Among those that benefited with their disappearance was the common opossum (Didelphis marsupialis), which gave rise to the semi-aquatic Parana-aware. This animal can be considered a case of convergent evolution. In the Holocene, the water opossum (Chironectes minimus), also known as the yapok, was also an aquatic marsupial with similar characteristics that allowed it to survive in the water. The Parana-aware is endemic to Maracaibo Gulf. Its name is formed by two words of the Carib language: Parana (sea) and aware (opossum).

The body of the Parana-aware is long, with 80 to 115 cm of length and their tails have 40 to 60 cm of length. They have short legs, a muscular short neck, a large head with an elongated snout. Its body is broadest at the hips and long black whiskers that are used to detect prey in turbid waters. It has a short, dense fur which is water-repellent. The upperparts are dark gray, while the underparts are light buff. Differently from its ancestor, the ears are short. Their feet are webbed, and together with their tail, they are used to propulsion through water. As a reflection of their aquatic lifestyle, this species developed transparent nictitating membranes to protect their eyes while swimming and nostrils and ears capable of being closed. Another characteristic that this animal developed to survive in the salt water is large kidneys. Its enable the marsupial to derive fresh water from sea water and excrete concentrated urine. They rest in dens excavated in shores and sandbanks above the tide level. Usually the male is larger than the female and both sexes have a well developed marsupium (the pouch), in the male this structure covers their genitalia, this way helping in their streamlining.

They can eat fishes, mollusks and crustaceans. However, their main prey are the venomous aquatic serpents that share their habitat, having developed resistance to their venom. They capture prey with a quick lunge from ambush, or more rarely, after a brief chase. The Parana-aware can remain underwater for nearly 5 minutes, swim at speeds approaching 10 km/h, dive to depths nearing 20 m, and travel up to 300 m while underwater. Small prey is eaten at the surface, but larger ones are taken to the shore to be consumed. Serpents are typically eaten from the head, being held by the marsupial’s forepaws. Mollusks are captured and taken to rocks, where, using their forepaws, they hit the shell until it breaks. Crabs are captured and their claws removed before being consumed.

Parana-aware are solitary animals, male and female meet up only to mate. While they can breed during the entire year, most of the births happen during the winter. The male will enter the female’s territory and mate with her. If another male appears, the two fight in a fierce battle on the water until one of them gives up and swims away. The victorious male will stay with the female for two weeks, after that he leaves. The gestation period is 22 days and the birth occurs in the female’s den. A strong ring of muscle makes the pouch (which opens to the rear) watertight, so the young remain dry, even when the mother is totally immersed in water, however the female will stay in shallow waters during this time so that the pups do not suffocate during long dives. During this time, she eats more crabs and snails, prey that do not require her to stay under water for a long time. A pup is the size of a grain of rice.

Up to 17 Parana-awares are born in each litter, but only six survive the first two weeks. The survivors stay in their mother's pouch for nine weeks, suckling on one of the mother's six teats for milk. During the tenth week, the pups venture out of the pouch and start to learn to swim and are weaned with 18 weeks. They will stay with the mother learning how to hunt until they have 23 weeks, turning independents and leaving the female at this time. They reach sexual maturity with 10 months and they have a lifespan of 4 years.

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Since we are going to make a chapter about the Catatumbo Delta, I think that the sungrebe could fit on this one. What do you think?


Yes, but what new characterictics it will have?

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Very good description, but what is their adaptation to salt water? And does salt water interfere with the development of offspring? These points should be taken into account in the description. And it is advisable to remember in the description about the Yapok, that such a water opposum has already been in history, but it wasn't live in salt water. Also it's better to write, that maracaibian opposum Didelphis marsupialis first learned to swim in fresh water, but when the lake became a sea gulf, it was forced to adapt to live in salt water. And then already describe the emergence of new adaptations to this very salty water.

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Let's think who will be in Catatumbo chapter?

Mammals:
1. Awaruwape - semiaquatic swimming in fresh and salt sea water jaguar-like descendent of ocelot - described - will be the main hero
2. Cabiai-pyinko - peccary-like descendent of brazilian guinea pig - described

Birds
3. Kotooro - will be descendant of Pionus menstruus eating crabs and shellfish in the mangroves (Kotooro - means parrot in wayuu language). - described
4. Katipirüin - descendent of Pyrocephalus obscurus (the name in wayuu language) - it will be catching flies, mosquitoes and different parasites on the bodies of barocavias and Cabiai-pyinko. - described
5. Amapejàu - descendant of the Jacana jacana (the name in carib language). -undescribed
6. Cyculi - descendent of sungrebe (Heliornis fulica) (Cyculi - is the name of the bird in Guahibo language) - will have interesting niche in the delta of Catatumbo. -undescribed

Reptiles
7. Arakaka - Guiana wood turtle, scorpion mud turtle, galap (Rhinoclemmys punctularia) - sometimes found in Lake Maracaibo, we can give this name arakaka to Rhinoclemmys diademata (the endemic of Maracaibo) -undescribed (I'll describe)

Fishes
8. Kariwiri - the Carib name off unknown fish from the Characidae family, this name we will give to scooling cardinal tetra.
will be anadromous will lay eggs in fresh water
undescribed
9. Apeina - (what means stream in carib language) archer fish-like ciclid (the ancestor will be Andinoacara pulcher very beautiful local fish with local name Acara, that mean stream) undescribed

Invertebrates
10. Parare - mantid in Carib language. undescribed
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11. Maba - in arawak language called Melipona favosa what is translated honey will pollinate Mureru undescribed (I will describe)
12. Mureru tano, or Knight beetle. - the biggest waterlilia Victoria Amazonica is pollinated by beetles Cyclocephala hardyi, will pollinate Mureru https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803590/ and will have exosceleton like an ant Acromyrmex echinatior - it has something like knight metal armor - biomineral exoskeleton with CaMg(CO3)2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19566-3

Plants
13. Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. - undescribed
14. Mureru - waterlily in Carib, descendant usual Nymphaea alba invasive from Europe but it can evolve to the form of Victoria amazonica.

I think we will first should write this chapter.

Because some of it's hero's periodically will appear in Maracaibo chapter.

This species that will also periodically appear in Maracaibo chapter:
Mammals:
1. Awaruwape - semiaquatic swimming in fresh and salt sea water jaguar-like descendent of ocelot - described - will be the main hero of the chapter
2. Cabiai-pyinko - peccary-like descendent of brazilian guinea pig - described

Birds
3. Kotooro - will be descendant of Pionus menstruus eating crabs and shellfish in the mangroves (Kotooro - means parrot in wayuu language). - described
4. Katipirüin - descendent of Pyrocephalus obscurus (the name in wayuu language) - it will be catching flies, mosquitoes and different parasites on the bodies of barocavias and Cabiai-pyinko. - described

Reptiles
7. Arakaka - Guiana wood turtle, scorpion mud turtle, galap (Rhinoclemmys punctularia) - sometimes found in Lake Maracaibo, we can give this name arakaka to Rhinoclemmys diademata (the endemic of Maracaibo) -undescribed (I'll describe)

Fishes
8. Kariwiri - the Carib name off unknown fish from the Characidae family, this name we will give to scooling cardinal tetra.
will be anadromous will lay eggs in fresh water
undescribed

Plants
13. Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. - undescribed

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Also may describe for Catatumbo delta snail Pomacea canaliculata which will eat the leaves of waterlily and oviposite in it's leaves. The Kotooro will eats the snail, the fry of Apeina will eat it's eggs.

But I can't choose the name of a snail. I like two names in carib language of unknown snails: Kùweroro and Kiwisukiri. Which name do you prefer?

May be mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail) could be euryhaline species and will specially swim in the Catatumbo delta to catch a large snail swimming in the water towards the waterlily.

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Yes, but what new characterictics it will have?


Do you have sugestions? Gruiformes are usually conservative, but I thought that the sungrebe could have developed some relationship with the water lilies.

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Very good description, but what is their adaptation to salt water? And does salt water interfere with the development of offspring? These points should be taken into account in the description. And it is advisable to remember in the description about the Yapok, that such a water opposum has already been in history, but it wasn't live in salt water. Also it's better to write, that maracaibian opposum Didelphis marsupialis first learned to swim in fresh water, but when the lake became a sea gulf, it was forced to adapt to live in salt water. And then already describe the emergence of new adaptations to this very salty water.


Ok! I'll think about these details and add them in the description.

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But I can't choose the name of a snail. I like two names in carib language of unknown snails: Kùweroro and Kiwisukiri. Which name do you prefer?


I like Kiwisukiri more.

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Also may describe for Catatumbo delta snail Pomacea canaliculata which will eat the leaves of waterlily and oviposite in it's leaves. The Kotooro will eats the snail, the fry of Apeina will eat it's eggs.


I like this idea!

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but I thought that the sungrebe could have developed some relationship with the water lilies.



May be sungrebe will eat the seeds of waterlily, and distribute them with droppings. It will be necessary to come up with some new properties for the water lily seeds, they will have some kind of tasty shell that is digested in the stomach of the sungrebe, and the seeds themselves will ripen under the influence of enzymes in its stomach. Those. without the sungrebe, the water lily will not be able to spread. The sungrebe itself, depending on the tasty seeds of the water lily, will protect the plant from overgrowth by other aquatic plants and algae, eating them so that they do not clog waterlilly, this way the bird will clear the living space for the water lily, and will also eat herbivorous fishes that want to eat up under water at the bottom thick creeping rhizomes of waterlilies, rich in starch. These fishes will be Itupu-sapelko - herbivores fishs, they also will be euryhaline, like Mari-sapelko - snails eating fish. The second name of the bird will be sungrebe-gardener, for the fact that he monitors the harvest of water lily seeds.



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I like Kiwisukiri more.


So do I!

So I think the chapter about Catatumbo delta will be about the thickets of waterlily Murenu.

Cabiai-pyinko will like to eat it's leaves and leaves of Ocumo; Katipirüin - will it parasites of Cabiai-pyinko; Awaruwape will hunt the Cabiai-pyinko, hiding in the thickets of Ocumo; Arakaka eats leaves of Ocumo; Maba and Mureru tano will pollinate the Murenu; Parare will hunt Maba and oviposite in leaves of Murenu; Apeina will eat Parare and spawn on the lives of Murenu, i's fry eats eggs of Parare; Kiwisukiri will eats laeves of Murenu; Kotooro, Arakaka and Mari-sapelko will eat Kiwisukiri; Itupu-sapelko eats under water at the bottom thick creeping rhizomes of Murenu, rich in starch, Cyculi eats seeds of Murenu and distribute them with droppings and eats Itupu-sapelko.

We must think about the new characteristics of Amapejàu. May be she will eat frogs, for example Pipa parva (pipa it's caribbean name, we will add to her name other caribbean word Poporu, what means just frog, so it's name will be Pipa poporu or may be just Poporu). Poporu will also try to oviposite on leaves of Murenu before eating caviar of Apeina, Amapejàu will hunt the Poporu just in time when it's spawning. Cyculi and Amapejàu will not be aggressive to each other. Poporu also will be the food for Kotooro and Arakaka.

I think that Cyculi will have some relations with Kotooro. When a lot of Kiwisukiri get to the leaves of Murenu then Cyculi gives a special signal that calls a Kotooro to eat the snails.

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May be sungrebe will eat the seeds of waterlily, and distribute them with droppings. It will be necessary to come up with some new properties for the water lily seeds, they will have some kind of tasty shell that is digested in the stomach of the sungrebe, and the seeds themselves will ripen under the influence of enzymes in its stomach. Those. without the sungrebe, the water lily will not be able to spread. The sungrebe itself, depending on the tasty seeds of the water lily, will protect the plant from overgrowth by other aquatic plants and algae, eating them so that they do not clog waterlilly, this way the bird will clear the living space for the water lily, and will also eat herbivorous fishes that want to eat up under water at the bottom thick creeping rhizomes of waterlilies, rich in starch. These fishes will be Itupu-sapelko - herbivores fishs, they also will be euryhaline, like Mari-sapelko - snails eating fish. The second name of the bird will be sungrebe-gardener, for the fact that he monitors the harvest of water lily seeds.


I think that it works. Sungrebes can eat seeds and fruits, with water lilies producing edible ones. Maybe this Neocene water lily will produce some attractive fruit for these birds.

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We must think about the new characteristics of Amapejàu. May be she will eat frogs, for example Pipa parva (pipa it's caribbean name, we will add to her name other caribbean word Poporu, what means just frog, so it's name will be Pipa poporu or may be just Poporu). Poporu will also try to oviposite on leaves of Murenu before eating caviar of Apeina, Amapejàu will hunt the Poporu just in time when it's spawning. Cyculi and Amapejàu will not be aggressive to each other. Poporu also will be the food for Kotooro and Arakaka.


The Amapejàu could also have some elaborated courtship and perhaps its facial skull have some different shape.

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I think that Cyculi will have some relations with Kotooro. When a lot of Kiwisukiri get to the leaves of Murenu then Cyculi gives a special signal that calls a Kotooro to eat the snails.


It could be similar to how honeyguides can lead humans to hives of bees.
What do you think of a small species of semi-aquatic rodent visiting the water lilies during the night in search of seeds and fruits? Depending of its size, they could also be able to crack the armor of the Knight beetles.

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I think that it works. Sungrebes can eat seeds and fruits, with water lilies producing edible ones. Maybe this Neocene water lily will produce some attractive fruit for these birds.


I know the roots of waterlilis are edible and a lot of herbivoruos mammals eat them, I know birds are eating seeds, but I can't imagine the fruits of waterlily. What would they look like?

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The Amapejàu could also have some elaborated courtship


Ok!

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and perhaps its facial skull have some different shape.


What for? It will be related to some specific diet?

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It could be similar to how honeyguides can lead humans to hives of bees.


Something like that

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What would they look like?


They could be more colorful or have some sweet smell coming from them, perhaps even exudates a sweet substance to attract animals.
What do you think of a small species of semi-aquatic rodent visiting the water lilies during the night in search of seeds and fruits? Depending of its size, they could also be able to crack the armor of the Knight beetles.

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What for? It will be related to some specific diet?


I think that it could be a case of sexual selection, with males having a different structure and also more colorful.

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It's interesting discussion! I like that! I dont'watched this thread several days, but it's still active!

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I think that it could be a case of sexual selection, with males having a different structure and also more colorful.


I also think that this theory is better, because speciation led by sexual selection is very often and makes new species more beautiful and different in colour than "normal".

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