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Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken.

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I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.

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I think it won't be, because we have invasive small indian moongooses and raccoons at South America. They won't let this niche to opossums.


I don’t think that the raccoon are imune to the snakes venom. Would the small Indian moongoose even reach the continent? I was thinking that this marsupial mangoose would live in the Atlantic forests, with another species in Cerrado. I would not lie, it would be cool if the mangoose were able to reach there.

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North American opossums (Didelphis virginiana) eating rattlesnakes, cottonmouths and vipers. They have complete immunity to the venom of these snakes.


Didelphis aurita can also eat serpents, including the Crotalus. They are tolerant to the venom.

wovoka пишет:

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the tapiryaura eats turtles, well, she bit the shell with her jaws, then what, she doesn’t chew the turtle along with the shell, how does she pick out the meat?


I thought that they would eat them like the crocodiles. The Tapiraiauara would catch the turtle, them crush the shell to have access to the meat inside it.

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I thought that they would eat them like the crocodiles. The Tapiraiauara would catch the turtle, them crush the shell to have access to the meat inside it.


I understand!

So what do you think about add Didelphis marsupialis to the chapter of Maracaibo, he'll be eating water rattlesnakes in the Gulf and became like water opossum (yapok) and call him Parana-aware (sea opossum in carib)?

And let choose some fishes for the Gulf from the list of Venezuela fishes
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/country/CountryChecklist.php?showAll=yes&what=list&trpp=50&c_code=862&cpresence=Reported&sortby=alpha2&ext_CL=on&ext_pic=on&vhabitat=fresh

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So what do you think about add Didelphis marsupialis to the chapter of Maracaibo, he'll be eating water rattlesnakes in the Gulf and became like water opossum (yapok) and call him Parana-aware (sea opossum in carib)?


This is good idea! It could be a subfamily of opossums that became mongoose-like and specialized in hunting vipers. We could have an aquatic genus while the others are terrestrial.
I was thinking about what лягушка said, and perhaps the mangoose could enter in South America. It would need to happen through oceanic dispersal, with the mongoose moving from the islands to the continent. It's a possibility during the Ice Age, with the sea level being low. With time, these moongose could spread through coastal forests and later the Cerrado, taking the niche of a hunter of venomous serpents and arthropods (Scorpions, centipedes and spiders). It could also be a subfamily, with an aquatic one hunting water rattlesnakes in the Gulf (perhaps even vagrants of sea serpents) and being like Atilax paludinosus, while the rest of the animals would be more like traditional mongooses, perhaps better in climbing trees to hunt vipers living there. Of course, they would eat the occasional bird, lizard, rodent and more rarely sweet fruits. Maybe there is an Amazonian species that can even eat venomous frogs.
Do you think that the mongoose dispersion could happen this way? We could use them rather than the opossum.
An interesting name for both mongoose and opossum would be Tymbacarumboi. It's formed by three words of Guarani language: Tymba-Animal, Caru-eat, Mboi-snake. The animal that eat snakes.

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And let choose some fishes for the Gulf from the list of Venezuela fishes
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/country/CountryChecklist.php?showAll=yes&what=list&trpp=50&c_code=862&cpresence=Reported&sortby=alpha2&ext_CL=on&ext_pic=on&vhabitat=fresh


I think that we could use the Abramites hypselonotus, Hydrolycus tatauaia, Ageneiosus magoi and Paracheirodon axelrodi.

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This is good idea! It could be a subfamily of opossums that became mongoose-like and specialized in hunting vipers. We could have an aquatic genus while the others are terrestrial.
I was thinking about what лягушка said, and perhaps the mangoose could enter in South America. It would need to happen through oceanic dispersal, with the mongoose moving from the islands to the continent. It's a possibility during the Ice Age, with the sea level being low. With time, these moongose could spread through coastal forests and later the Cerrado, taking the niche of a hunter of venomous serpents and arthropods (Scorpions, centipedes and spiders). It could also be a subfamily, with an aquatic one hunting water rattlesnakes in the Gulf (perhaps even vagrants of sea serpents) and being like Atilax paludinosus, while the rest of the animals would be more like traditional mongooses, perhaps better in climbing trees to hunt vipers living there. Of course, they would eat the occasional bird, lizard, rodent and more rarely sweet fruits. Maybe there is an Amazonian species that can even eat venomous frogs.
Do you think that the mongoose dispersion could happen this way? We could use them rather than the opossum.
An interesting name for both mongoose and opossum would be Tymbacarumboi. It's formed by three words of Guarani language: Tymba-Animal, Caru-eat, Mboi-snake. The animal that eat snakes.


This all is good idea, but whom we are settling to the Gulf: aquatic opossum or aquatic mongoose? I preffer opossum.

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I think that we could use the Abramites hypselonotus, Hydrolycus tatauaia, Ageneiosus magoi and Paracheirodon axelrodi.


Good choise! Will you describe them!

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This all is good idea, but whom we are settling to the Gulf: aquatic opossum or aquatic mongoose? I preffer opossum.


What do you think if we have the water opossum living in the Maracaibo gulf and the mongoose being located in the other areas of South America (South America, Amazon and Cerrado)?

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water opossum


Marsiupals can't be semi-aquatic animals because their bag need to be winded up, and embryo can't breath underwater.

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Marsiupals can't be semi-aquatic animals because their bag need to be winded up, and embryo can't breath underwater.


Well, South America already have a semi-aquatic marsupial:
Chironectes minimus (click here)
There is also the genus Lutreolina (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutreolina), which can occasionally be semi-aquatic.

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Have you head about Chironectes minimus?

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No, I haven't. I'm not good at marsiupals.

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Even kangaroo and koala can swim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8_090B9nY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcmrKwvAok
That's why can be periods they can live a semi-aquatic lifestyle.

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What do you think if we have the water opossum living in the Maracaibo gulf and the mongoose being located in the other areas of South America (South America, Amazon and Cerrado)?


Ok!

Will you describe the Maracaibo fishes?

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Will you describe the Maracaibo fishes?


Yes, I'll work on it!
Any suggestion for new characteristics for these fishes?

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What fishes?
But i have ideas - toxic catfish, monkfish-like one and own species of characin pike in this lake.

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What fishes?
But i have ideas - toxic catfish, monkfish-like one and own species of characin pike in this lake.


These fishes: Abramites hypselonotus, Hydrolycus tatauaia, Ageneiosus magoi and Paracheirodon axelrodi.

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Abramites hypselonotus


I don't know what we can do with "headstanders". I thing that they are not interesting and haven't big evolutionary potential because of concurention with other animals in this niche.

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Hydrolycus tatauaia


They're already specialised and might not have significant changes in neocene. only if they survive.

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Ageneiosus magoi


This fish can evolve at ~150 cm long pelagic opportunistic predator thet slighty resemble shark on its appearence.

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Paracheirodon axelrodi


What we can do with them? I have no idea.

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I don't know what we can do with "headstanders". I thing that they are not interesting and haven't big evolutionary potential because of concurention with other animals in this niche.


What do you think if we replace it with a Cichlidae (maybe Acaronia) and turns it into an analogue to the archerfish (Toxotes)?

лягушка пишет:

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They're already specialised and might not have significant changes in neocene. only if they survive


Maybe replace them with Acestrorhynchus nasutus or another smaller representative of the same genus and turn it into a predator like the pike (Esox) or tigerfish (Hydrocynus)? It could jump to catch birds while they fly.

лягушка пишет:

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This fish can evolve at ~150 cm long pelagic opportunistic predator thet slighty resemble shark on its appearence.


I like it!

лягушка пишет:

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What we can do with them? I have no idea.


They could be schooling fishes of the chapter, with males being more colorful than the females.

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What do you think if we replace it with a Cichlidae


I don't think it is good idea, because headstanders aren't endangered and rather ecologicacally flexible.

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archerfish (Toxotes)


i think archerfish-like cichlid is unusual'but not impossible! I think it is good idea!

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Maybe replace them with Acestrorhynchus nasutus or another smaller representative of the same genus and turn it into a predator like the pike (Esox) or tigerfish (Hydrocynus)? It could jump to catch birds while they fly.


I think replacement of dogtooth tetras by asterorhynchids is realistic idea. But also it can be characin pike-like lebiasinids in the lake.

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They could be schooling fishes of the chapter, with males being more colorful than the females.


Good idea!

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I think replacement of dogtooth tetras by asterorhynchids is realistic idea. But also it can be characin pike-like lebiasinids in the lake.


Perhaps the asterorhynchids are located on the nearby rivers.

wovoka
Do you think that the ancestor of the aquatic opossum could be the Lutreolina? They already have occasional semiaquatic tendencies and also eat serpents. I also thought that it could have some relatives in the fast running rivers in montainous areas of the Atlantic forests, this way not competing with otterodents.

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Do you think that the ancestor of the aquatic opossum could be the Lutreolina?


Ок!

I'll try to finish the description of water rattlesnake tomorrow!

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