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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 26.03.22 16:45. Заголовок: Fauna and Flora of Borneo and nearby islands


Some time ago, I talked with Автор about Borneo and I learned that there wasn’t many species described for this area. Then I proposed the lembu, a large descendant of the goat. The description of this species was approved.
Since then, I had ideas for other animals living here and decided to create this thread. We could discuss ideas for this island here and if someone else have suggestions of creatures to Borneo, they can post here too.
I'll start with a carnivore and a herbivore:

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 21.04.22 20:17. Заголовок: JOrnitho Great work..


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Great work!

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 21.04.22 23:28. Заголовок: I had been thinking ..


I had been thinking about endemic species for Sulawesi and had these ideas:
A larger deer as the largest herbivore of the island. It's a descendant of the Javan rusa (Rusa timorensis).
A descendant of the Sulawesi bear cuscus (Ailurops ursinus), with the appearance of a ground sloth, but smaller.
A larger and flightless descendant of the Philippine megapode (Megapodius cumingii).
Do you think that these species could be plausible? Any idea for a predator?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.04.22 18:58. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: A l..


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A larger and flightless descendant of the Philippine megapode (Megapodius cumingii).


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Any idea for a predator?


I think these two ideas at once are improbable, and the probability of the existance of ground-dwelling predators at the island is at least 100%. So, I think there will be no flightless megapodes, or they will have any super-weapon to repel the predator of any size living nearby.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.04.22 21:23. Заголовок: Автор at least 100%..


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at least 100%


I don't quite understand - probability cannot exceed 100%, so why "at least"? Maybe you were meaning just "almost"?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.04.22 21:42. Заголовок: Автор пишет: So, I ..


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So, I think there will be no flightless megapodes, or they will have any super-weapon to repel the predator of any size living nearby.


I understand. But would not be possible for it to develop a sharp claw on their feet to defend against predators? Maybe even a sharp spur. The emu, rhea, ostrich and the casowary evolved in habitats with terrestrial predators, so I thought that it could happen with the megapode.
Anyway, about the predator, I was thinking that it could be a descendant of the domestic dog. Do you have other suggestions?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 23.04.22 14:18. Заголовок: JOrnitho The emu, r..


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The emu, rhea, ostrich and the casowary evolved in habitats with terrestrial predators


Wow, I just forgot that! Right you are, and note how dangerous a cassowary can be even for humans! So, we can make just a large (the size of a cassowary) megapode with deadly claws on their feet! And such claws can also be used to dig pits in the ground to make their incubator-type nests.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 22.04.22 21:24. Заголовок: JOrnitho The ideas ..


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The ideas are great, but I agree with the Author about the combination he mentioned.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 04:11. Заголовок: I'm still in dou..


I'm still in doubt about which animal could be the ancestor of the predator of Sulawesi. While I think that dogs could have a good chance, I was remembered that the Sulawesi palm civet (Macrogalidia musschenbroekii) also is a potential survivor. Another option is a large descendant of the Asian water monitor (Varanus salvator). What do you think? Who could be the predator in the island?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 10:54. Заголовок: JOrnitho The palm c..


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The palm civet looks more interesting. And the water monitor can evolve even more aquatic, a predator, like a crocodile.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 17:29. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: The p..


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The palm civet looks more interesting.


Yes. I thought that it could be a wolf/hyena-like animal adapted to live in forests and to run after prey for long distances. What do you think?

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 17:41. Заголовок: JOrnitho пишет: Wha..


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What do you think?


I think that is interesting

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 18:07. Заголовок: JOrnitho wolf/hyena-..


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wolf/hyena-like animal adapted to live in forests and to run after prey for long distances


I would rather think of a feline-like animal, resembling a jaguar or a leopard. Given the tigers and clouded leopards are extinct in neocene, it is possible. Wolf/hyena-like animal is more plausible for open lands or woodlands, but not jungle of South-East Asia.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 27.04.22 18:55. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: I wou..


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I would rather think of a feline-like animal, resembling a jaguar or a leopard.


Maybe a jaguar-like viverrid with long upper canines like that of a clouded leopard? They would hunt the large prey of the island.
I also thought that the domestic dog could evolve in an small omnivorous fox-like animal.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 28.04.22 10:47. Заголовок: JOrnitho Yes, possi..


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Yes, possible!

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I made the description for the viverrid. One of possible preys of this animal would be a descendant of the Javan rusa, a large deer that is also the largest herbivore of Sulawesi. Their main characteristic would be leaf shaped antlers of the males. However, I have problems in finding a good name. Do you have a sugestion?


Macan tutul, the false leopard (Viverratherium mortifer)
The human actions during the Holocene caused the decline of many species. However some species survived and in the Neocene they gave rise to new species. One of these new species is the Macan tutul, a descendant of the Sulawesi palm civet (Macrogalidia musschenbroekii). Macan tutul mean leopard in the Indonesian language, this viverrid shares the same lifestyle of this feline. This animal lives in the tropical forests of Sulawesi, being its apex predator.
The male macan tutul is larger than the female, he has 190 cm from head to tail, while females have 160 cm. Their fur is greyish yellow and is marked with solid black marks. The spots on head and limbs are small, but markings on the back, cheeks and flanks are open or closed bands and stripes. A few dark stripes run straight from the back of the neck up to the tip of the tail. Its neck and undersides are white, the insides of the legs are marked less. It has round ears and has a strong skull. The main characteristic of this species are their long canine teeth. However, it remains hidden, only being revealed when the animal opens the mouth.
Macan tutuls will eat medium to large sized animals. Birds, turtles and large mammals are common prey for them. Their bite is powerful, capable of crushing the throat of the prey and also of penetrating skulls and shells. To kill larger mammals, they bite directly through the skull between the ears to deliver a fatal bite to the brain. This hunting technique is similar to that used by the jaguar (Panthera onca) of the Americas in the Holocene. These animals use their fur to camouflage in the environment to ambush the prey.
These viverrids are solitary, only meeting during the mating season. Inside a male territory there is 2 to 3 females. Macan tutul smate at any time of the year. Oestrus lasts four to five days, and recurs every 25 days in a non-pregnant female. A litter of one to three is born after a gestational period of 79 to 83 days. Females give birth in dens, usually located in caves and other alcoves. Born blind, cubs are completely dependent on their mother at first, and begin to be weaned at around 3 months of age. As they grow, they begin to go out on forays with their mother, first visiting kill sites, and after six months beginning to hunt small prey on their own. Macan tutuls reach sexual maturity with 5 months and have a lifespan of 18 years.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 28.04.22 20:41. Заголовок: JOrnitho Good but t..


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Good but the name already exists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_palm_civet
It is known as musang today.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 28.04.22 21:56. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: It i..


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It is known as musang today.


I'll replace for another one. There is the Luwak, from the Kopi Luwak, the coffee civet. Luwak is a common name for the civet too.
Another one that crossed my mind was Viverratherium/ Saber toothed civet, but I wanted to use something local.
Anyone know a better name? I'm having problems to decide names for this animal and for the deer too.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 29.04.22 10:44. Заголовок: JOrnitho Yeah, I kn..


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Yeah, I know about kopi-luwak. The name for your Viverratherium could be from Indonesian or Malayan language, or some other local.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 29.04.22 14:56. Заголовок: Биолог пишет: The n..


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The name for your Viverratherium could be from Indonesian or Malayan language, or some other local.


What do you think of macan tutul? It's the name used for the leopard in the Indonesian language. Since the Viverratherium will fill a similar niche and have a similar morphology, maybe it could work.

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ссылка на сообщение  Отправлено: 29.04.22 19:12. Заголовок: JOrnitho macan tutu..


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name used for the leopard in the Indonesian language


Good idea!

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